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Few notes about http, https, www and non-www

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by littlewebdragon, Jul 14, 2017.

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  1. littlewebdragon

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    Most of you guys know this already, it's common knowledge sort of, but some of you do not. I am pretty sure of that. So I just thought to mention this and hopefully some you will find good use of it as I'm positive that this had effect on stabilizing rankings of some of my sites in G and much more effects, but that's just me blabbing around so I'll drop that points out. This is my opinion on this matter. That's clear, but let's just say that I'm not claiming anything just sharing thoughts and facts from my personal experience.

    For start, we all know that www version of a site and non-www version of a site are pretty much two different versions of a site. We can even name www version of a site to be actually a subdomain of a site (with duplicate content as non-www), but let's not get into much details about that.

    So, in the past year or so everyone was crazy about moving to https and shit. This fact had effect on SEO for sure, not as a ranking signal, but on a way for website that moved from http to https to lose back linking power tad a bit (sort of like doing 301).

    At one point when cPanel (that like 90% of hosting companies use) upgraded, what it did, it enabled SSL for ALL accounts on that server and provided cPanel certificate for 30 days or so and each and every site since that point was responsive to https version. We are talking about tens of thousands of websites. I do know as well that G checks up on your site like site.com/m or m.site.com and such usual ways to see if it responds and if there is mobile version of site, so by that being said (and how that relates to https) is that google being google it simply tested if there is https version of a site and started indexing https version of sites that should not have been indexed or even asked to be indexed as sites started responding to https.

    Just to make clear. None of the sites that I'm mentioning here do not need https at all. They have no user input, not even asking for an email from a user. They just have no need for https protocol.

    I have seen a drop of traffic on one of my sites and I've checked up on that and I was quite surprised, half of site was indexed like http and half like https. What? Why? Who? WTF?! So, I have decided to clear up on that and I've realized what happened.

    I've done split testing then, this entire story that I'm talking about took like 6+ months for sure of me testing out, I've done some my websites and forced them to use https and some to http just to avoid duplicate content and to see what will happen. Somehow, the ones that I've forced back to http got back where they have been, well not quite, but let's sort of say they did. The other ones, they stayed with lower visitor count and never came back. Of course, all links pointed were to http.

    TL;DR
    So, my point here is, after all of this above. Remember, there is not one version of your site, you actually have 4 versions of a site that you might not be aware of. They are:
    You need to decide what is the one that you are going with and redirect all other versions to it.

    Few more notes, all those google updates, stress, chaos, PBN is dead, SEO is dead bla bla... Yeah, it's getting slightly different, but IMO it has A LOT to do with simple recalculating of these 4 versions of sites (at least 2 https/http) that some of the website owners are not even aware of.

    Yeah, tad a bit of confusing read, I know. I hope it'll reach out to at least few of you. :)
     
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  2. aidenhera

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    dont know why but I have already automated redirect from WWW to my version on wordpress. good post
     
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    If your www. version get penalized, you can use non www version of your site as its fresh site. OP your signature is best in the forum.
     
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    Good to know
    Thanks :)
     
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    Great post OP. We see these questions here every day basically.
     
  6. littlewebdragon

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    Yeah, just always have one of them as a preference. This is sort of older info, now https adds in another level of confusion.

    I did not know this about penalized version to switch it over. This is something that I might can test out as well.

    Hahaha thank you, I'm glad that you like it. You can click it as much as you can, it will not take you to the dark places. :D

    Yes exactly, variations of these questions are everywhere and I just hope that those guys will read it (even TL;DR part) as it really have effects on ranking.

    I've been thinking of posting this for few weeks now, I've just got some time today so I've decided to do so.
     
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    Another copypasta thread I will be using for basic questions in this regard. Good job buddy. :)
     
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    yeah.


    morons will always find a way to fuck up their site when some "seo agency" or "internet agency" tells them they need to do xyz on their site..

    if it aint wordpress and their bloated DC problems, it will be responsive, then amp than SSL and what else might come next..

    dam. one sporting site of mine aint got: amp, aint got ssl and aint got responsive.
    and its competing against the most authoritative outdoor sites on german market :)
    and some shitty SEO with his fucking expired domain he hosts his blog on :) . I am so tempted to annoy him a bit.

    howeer, about www/nowww:

    I on occasion check backlinks to see if sth is pointed to the wrong version. why on earth do I want to forcefully LOSE 20% linkjuice??
     
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    Nice post OP.

    Another question, does it also matter the / at the end of Urls?

    Is that another version of site?
     
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  11. littlewebdragon

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    Haha man! Awesome question! :) I was about to mention that but I do not have enough facts to cover that up. However, I do know, even in the old days and now, whenever I do back linking I do vary with "/" and without it, no matter if it's about home URL like site.com/ or site.com or if I'm doing back linking towards site.com/url-location or site.com/url-location/ (unless I'm using .html, and yes I still do use it).

    Good question indeed, but on this topic I do not have enough facts to provide my opinion on that matter.

    For now, if matters, I do believe that G does know that / or no slash it's same URL and in the back linking process it appreciates variations.
     
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    Just a small note on this. cPanel never was and never will be direct SSL provider. Is the hosting provider who decide if and when will provide free certificates like Lets Encrypt . Most of the hosting providers still to other this feature for free.. (what a shame).

    Overall good post keep it up :)
     
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    So If I only use
    • http://
    someone can make the
    • https:// ?
    that's crazy, nice info
     
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    trailing / does matter. you get 301s at least from WP if you dont check that.

    although, from a linux/unix viewpoint, its total useless and garbage :( and I myself find it annoying. but thats the way WP operates.
     
  15. littlewebdragon

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    Thank you for the heads up man! Yeah we are on the same page, but there are cPanel issued certificates, yet just as you said we as a hosting providers decide what route to take like Let's Encrypt for example.

    I was talking about the issue like the one mentioned here. And yet, here is sample of cPanel Inc. issued certificate:

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    I am aware that cPanel is not CA but yet Comodo, but as stated in the screenshot below I have mentioned cPanel Inc. as issuer. :)
     
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