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Feds Take Down RevMoutain, RoiRunner, RevGuard

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  1. The Scarlet Pimp

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    from paced media...

    The FTC has charged Blair McNea, Danielle Foss, Jennifer “Jenny Frederick” Johnson et al. with running 59 illegal negative-option “personal care” websites to dupe people into ordering products for which they are charged repeatedly.

    A source in the industry told us that “RevMountain and RevGuard” have been “shut down” and people are scrambling to find other solutions.

    According to the suit, since the mid 2000’s the defendants have been in business in the negative option personal care space. The suit alleges that they lied and defrauded banks and merchants by creating fake landing pages that were approved for credit card purchases, while in reality promoting ones that were not legal.

    The suit alleges, that these “back door” pages often did not mention that consumers would be charges after “free trials” or that they would be charged month after month.

    In some cases, the suit claims the defendants just lied about the costs of products, charging much more than the price listed on the offers.

    Making this suit worse, one of the companies RevGuard, sells itself as a compliance and customer service company to prevent these type of things from happening. It seems that instead of helping their clients prevent fraud and charge backs, if the lawsuit is correct, they actually did the opposite and helped them commit fraud?

    Here are the defendants: Revmountain LLC; Roadrunner B2C LLC dba Revgo; Wave Rock LLC; Juniper Solutions LLC; Jasper Woods LLC; Wheeler Peak Marketing LLC; Roirunner LLC; Cherry Blitz LLC; Flat Iron Avenue LLC; Absolutely Working LLC; Three Lakes LLC; Bridge Ford LLC; How and Why LLC; Spruce River LLC; Trimxt LLC; Elation White LLC; Ivorypro LLC; Doing What’s Possible LLC; Revguard LLC; Revlive! LLC; Blue Rocket Brands LLC; Convertis LLC; Convertis Marketing LLC; Turtle Mountains LLC; Boulder Black Diamond LLC; Mint House LLC; Thunder Avenue LLC; University And Folsom LLC; Boulder Creek Internet Solutions Inc.; Walnut Street Marketing Inc.; Snow Sale LLC; Brand Force LLC; Wild Farms LLC; Salamonie River LLC; Indigo Systems LLC; Night Watch Group LLC; Newport Crossing LLC; Greenville Creek LLC; Brookville LaneLLC; Anasazi Management Partners LLC; Honey Lake LLC; Condor Canyon LLC; Brass Triangle LLC; Solid Ice LLC; Sandstone Beach LLC; Desert Gecko LLC; Blizzardwhite LLC; Action Pro White LLC; First Class Whitening LLC; Spark Whitening LLC; Titanwhite LLC; Dental Pro At Home LLC; Smile Pro Direct LLC; Circle of Youth Skincare LLC; Dermaglam LLC; Sedona Beauty Secrets LLC; Bellaathome LLC; Skinnyiq LLC; Body Tropical LLC; Blair McNea; Danielle Foss; and Jennifer Johnson.
     
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    No Dr. OZ?
     
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    Lol those dudes don't know how the fuck to do business hahaha

    I will never get caught doing anything illegal as I keep as close to the law as any other lawyer.
     
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    Thats a lot of defendants...Its game over man
     
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    Far from that. Just less competition:D
     
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    What a coincidence. For some reason this post made me think of you.
     
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    This is really crazy for me, I was literally looking for new brandable website URLs, and revmountain as well as revguard were ones that I was disappointed in being taken. Small ass world!
     
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    Did you check to see if largeshieldofrev, revmolehill or revcovfefe was taken?

    They're all just as brandable.
     
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    I just bought all three of those. Transaction #imgonnaberichbitch
     
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    Guess its time to neg seo them :(
     
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    Hahaha, so you neg seo every exposed domain? I like your style.
     
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    No, but people in this forum do. It happened to me :(
     
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    I went ahead and paid PACER for some more information on this case. The OP is a little light on the details. Unfortunately, I can't add any links to my posts. The court case(s) are 2:2017-cv-02000 and 1:2017-mc00055.

    According to the complaint issued against the defendants they used a secret, second homepage for their sites that was only available when clicked-through from affiliate offers. This page offered a trial for 1.03 + S&H for a tooth whitening product. When a customer purchased the trial they were put on a rebill for $100 per month. A second "complete this purchase" popup came up after completing the sale which added them onto a second rebill for an additional $100 per month. The original home page for the website did not mention any trial information, and was the website used to enroll the businesses with merchant processors. If anyone is particularly interested I do have a PDF of the complaint and additional PDFs for other documents involved in the case.

    It appears the FTC has received an order to FREEZE all assets, business and personal, related to the defendants. They've also been ordered to complete a financial disclosure form. They've got an additional 7 days to complete the form and then we MAY be able to see their assets and business structure. Personally, I'm curious how much money they made from this scheme.

    EDIT: It appears Key Bank has provided financial information about 3 of the "defendants" that are entities. The total of their business assets is approximately 10,000 USD. Chances are the balances are transferred out quite regularly. The FTC is going to have a big battle ahead of them to find out the correct amount of forfeiture.
     
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    It's illegal? I thought this was so common.

    Or is it a new law that was recently introduced?
     
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    The complaint outlines what they did that was illegal. The biggest thing is being intentionally misleading about their trial offer. The information about the rebilling was hidden in tiny, gray font on a white background underneath the "complete checkout button". The also face additional sentencing points for complexity of the scheme. They intentionally mislead gateway providers and users by having a second home page. This case is open&shut. They stand no chance.
     
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    It's illegal when you don't tell people how much you are going to rape their wallets. You just have to tell them how much you are going to take from them and it becomes legal AHAHAHAHA

    Like credits everywhere are only legal because they tell you how much they are going to rape you on paper. Else, it would be illegal hahaha