Faking job experience.

You know, i feel like this is one of the few places where it is acceptable to talk about this. Moreover, most of us here have creative minds.

I've graduated from Canada with an engineering degree, and I haven't had a job now for 4 years (i've had random jobs that lasted a few months). I need a job for some income to sustain some of my IM projects. I do have income but it is not stable income and comes with a lot of risk. I guess my question is: how can someone make it in this job market.

Experience:
I've created a resume, with engineering experience from an international country (to avoid a reference check). Major downsize to this is that they only value "Canadian Experience", so much so that i'm not able to land any interviews. I've had better luck applying to jobs in the US with this method, at least I would get calls back but i'd never make it to the interview stage once they find out i'm Canadian. The funniest part about applying to the US as a Canadian citizen, is that the company doesn't need to pay a cent to sponsor you on the TN visa (unlike H1b), but HR and recruiting agencies doesn't give a damn about that. They read the word sponsorship and like drones they go: "sorry we can't do that."

HR:
Another problem I've encountered is HR or recruitment agencies. For example, I would apply for an Admin Assistant job, and they want you to "have experience" as a glorified receptionist. So i thought about changing my degree to business administration and putting an admin assistant job. I'm pretty confident that I can do this job running but again I face a roadblock because HR is filled with a dumbest and most mindless people that are the equivalent of a keyword search algorithm. Is there anyway to bypass them and go to the hiring manager?

how do you guys think i should deal with this. how can a person BS job experience and get the job, because there is no other way.

Why not stay in Canada and work there?

If you cant get a job with a degree in engineering then you are not trying, the canadian government employment website has 2000 openings for people with your qualifications.

AceWallGromit said:

If you cant get a job with a degree in engineering then you are not trying, the canadian government employment website has 2000 openings for people with your qualifications.

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this is the garbage i have to put up with, people are so invested in their society that they can't realize that it is shit.

Same in the 2008 recession in the US when companies where whining about not finding qualified workers. Oil industry crashed in 2015 yet engineering is still listed as a profession in shortage. Even recruiters tell me it is extremely competitive. but there is always an asshole who comes by and tells you weren't trying hard enough when you have already applied to thousands of these jobs.

why not stay in canada and work there

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i am here.

I don't think faking experience will give you the edge though. If it's a competitive job market, you might have to start at the very bottom and take a job that you're overqualified for.

I guess really you need to get into the business where you want to be, but get in wherever you can. If you can't get the job you want, keep going down the ladder until you find a position they'll accept you for.
Once you are in there, try to get noticed and work your way up.

Easier said than done, and I must admit, I've never really done the whole corporate job thing (if you saw my CV, you would laugh), but I have a lot of friends that have worked there way up in a similar fashion. Also, plenty of my friends struggled to begin with, despite having great qualifications; because everyone wants experience. So sometimes working your way up the ladder is the only way.

I feel you mate. They only want to hire someone with experience but how on earth one can get experience if no one hires him?

I would say create 2 set of CVs. One with real info and one with fake job experience. You could use the real one where they require no experience and fake one for experienced jobs.

Fake it till you make it. If you are worried that someone with actually call the company to see if you worked there.. Well you could put up a number of friend and ask him to pretend. You could even register a domain similar to the company and put that email there on experience letter.

Good luck on landing a job.

Also watch lot youtube videos and other stuff to keep learning about your field. You know, one can forget things and you don't want that.

Companies often perform independent background checks, which includes criminal records and previous work experience. Also, some industries have closely knit communities, where people from one company know key people from others. So, faking experience is a risk that's not worth taking.

Go in the Military as an officer

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...s/fields-work/engineers/engineer-officer.html

my god, if i had your brains, ill have a massive car workshop.

in the uk it £80/ph £800 daily easily fixing cars .

Ask for a friend that has a company and to give you references in case they'll ask. More likely they'll ask.

Don't apply to banking or any kind of company that does background checks as they will find out you were not employed there.

Start with a stable job with less salary, obviously lesser salary means you wont need to have an experience and gradually you can switch jobs.

you know the saying "fake it 'til you make it"

I once faked a job working at MacDonalds so I could become a crypto guru.

davids355 said:

I guess really you need to get into the business where you want to be, but get in wherever you can. If you can't get the job you want, keep going down the ladder until you find a position they'll accept you for.
Once you are in there, try to get noticed and work your way up.

Easier said than done, and I must admit, I've never really done the whole corporate job thing (if you saw my CV, you would laugh), but I have a lot of friends that have worked there way up in a similar fashion. Also, plenty of my friends struggled to begin with, despite having great qualifications; because everyone wants experience. So sometimes working your way up the ladder is the only way.

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seocrab said:

I don't think faking experience will give you the edge though. If it's a competitive job market, you might have to start at the very bottom and take a job that you're overqualified for.

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I agree with you guys, problem is I don't SEE a bottom. It is a struggle to get a bank teller position, a struggle to become a receptionist or admin assistant, a struggle to go into data entry. All those are simple jobs for me. It is really impossible to go lower.

ExperimentalSEO said:

Go in the Military as an officer

https://www.canada.ca/en/department...s/fields-work/engineers/engineer-officer.html

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TY

redarrow said:

my god, if i had your brains, ill have a massive car workshop.

in the uk it £80/ph £800 daily easily fixing cars .

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Its not a bad idea, most cars these days are fixed by plugging them into a computer and diagnosing/auto-resolving the problem. So you actually don't need brains for any of that.

NawtyBoy said:

Start with a stable job with less salary, obviously lesser salary means you wont need to have an experience and gradually you can switch jobs.

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I would do that, but the liberals make it hard by requiring a minimum wage, and even the Engineering Association has rules for "properly compensating" employees. Volunteering for free is also tough, because lets be honest, there are no small firms in Canada, all we have are big US firms and they typically can and will pay for the best.

SMSCodes said:

you know the saying "fake it 'til you make it"

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Can't fake it if you don't even get calls to come in to fake it.