expired domains vs auction domains

fundraiserguru · Oct 17, 2017

Yes they do work

jameskovackstin · Oct 17, 2017

Am actually looking for a bank linker to bank link my site and i will like to know how much it cost

DentalMidget · Oct 17, 2017

Bakchiadai said:
Since no1 mentioned it here it takes around 1-2 MONTHS after your PBN's content indexes for it to pass juice. Matt Diggity did a test on this in 2016, so did Charles Floate in 2017. Diggity said 36 days, Floate said its taking longer in 2017, at least from his experience.
In August I made a PBN of 25 domains, expired and auction mix. From my anecdotal evidence, some (roughly 2-3 out of 10) of my expired domains (clean wayback, anchor text profile, bought from Nargil/PBNHQ etc) aren't passing any juice, even after 2 months of being indexed. All of the auctioned domains without a drop history are working, however.

Has anyone else noticed this? (if you don't run tests don't answer this please, I am not looking for your opinion/"experience" here even if you were doing SEO before the internet started)

P.S How I test my PBNs are I create content, let it sit at least a month after indexing, then link to a competitor in your niche whos site hasn't been receiving any links, usually on page 3-4, make the link an exact match anchor, track the competitor's site for the exact anchor text I linked. Then typically one of two things happen:
1. Nothing
2. It jumps to page 2, sometimes even page 1 for that specific term.

Is there a better way/faster way to test PBN's?

Why not make a separate thread for this very interesting topic ?

MoMentuM · Oct 17, 2017

Nargil said:
It absolutely does not matter. It's not a factor and never will be. Once the content is deindexed, it's back to square one. If you put on a new content anyway, it still starts at square one. Domain age is pointless. All that matters is how long has the content been in index.

The thing is that domains which go through the entire deletion cycle are de-indexed because they are dead for so long - up to 3 months. Domains which go straight to auction normally do not get de-indexed because they are inactive for a much shorter time period.
So you can buy an expired domain and start from scratch or hit the ground running with a domain which has already has content and has been indexed for years.

Nargil · Oct 17, 2017

MoMentuM said:
The thing is that domains which go through the entire deletion cycle are de-indexed because they are dead for so long - up to 3 months. Domains which go straight to auction normally do not get de-indexed because they are inactive for a much shorter time period.
So you can buy an expired domain and start from scratch or hit the ground running with a domain which has already has content and has been indexed for years.

That's not true. Majority of auction domains have homepage indexed at best. And even if you add new content, its age starts from zero. Not talking about recreating sites here, because I do not consider that to be a good practice at all. So as I have said, unless you buy a live site, it does not matter whether you are working with expired or auction domain. 95%+ of the content is deindexed and even if it weren't, you will be rebuilding and reindexing the site with new content anyway.

MoMentuM · Oct 17, 2017

Bakchiadai said:
From my anecdotal evidence, some (roughly 2-3 out of 10) of my expired domains (clean wayback, anchor text profile, bought from Nargil/PBNHQ etc) aren't passing any juice, even after 2 months of being indexed. All of the auctioned domains without a drop history are working, however.

The expired domains lose their link juice after being dead for 2+ months and the whois being changed

Nargil · Oct 17, 2017

MoMentuM said:
The expired domains lose their link juice after being dead for 2+ months and the whois being changed

And this is simply bullshit. Nothing is losing its link juice. But feel free to believe whatever you want. Just don't spread blatant lies please.

Deleted member 657006 · Oct 17, 2017

it not getting the domain it knowing how to make sure the domain is spam free and all stats and links are safe.

anyone can buy a domain it the cheeks needed that detemines a domain quilty

MoMentuM · Oct 17, 2017

Nargil said:
That's not true. Majority of auction domains have homepage indexed at best. And even if you add new content, its age starts from zero. Not talking about recreating sites here, because I do not consider that to be a good practice at all. So as I have said, unless you buy a live site, it does not matter whether you are working with expired or auction domain. 95%+ of the content is deindexed and even if it weren't, you will be rebuilding and reindexing the site with new content anyway.

We'lll hvae to agree to disagree because I have totally different results from this

Nargil · Oct 17, 2017

MoMentuM said:
We'lll hvae to agree to disagree because I have totally different results from this

I've never had an issue with PBNs not providing firepower. I admit that it takes a while till they kick in, but then again, I've always waited with linking out OR I at least put some other "masking" outbound links there first. People

MoMentuM · Oct 17, 2017

Nargil said:
Just don't spread blatant lies please.

The truth will set you free

patlang · Oct 17, 2017

Nargil said:
And this is simply bullshit. Nothing is losing its link juice. But feel free to believe whatever you want. Just don't spread blatant lies please.

The link juice of incoming links is never lost no matter what. However if you get an expired domain and do not use the old website's script + content than domain's overall power will be reduced by at least 80%.

It's quite easy to test. If you have a decent and working site, change the CMS. Ranking will probably remain (as long as the internal structure is the same) however its ability to rank other sites will be reduced significantly. Google doesn't give a shit and this way fights noobish PBN builders.

darulez · Oct 18, 2017

Bakchiadai said:
Since no1 mentioned it here it takes around 1-2 MONTHS after your PBN's content indexes for it to pass juice. Matt Diggity did a test on this in 2016, so did Charles Floate in 2017. Diggity said 36 days, Floate said its taking longer in 2017, at least from his experience.
In August I made a PBN of 25 domains, expired and auction mix. From my anecdotal evidence, some (roughly 2-3 out of 10) of my expired domains (clean wayback, anchor text profile, bought from Nargil/PBNHQ etc) aren't passing any juice, even after 2 months of being indexed. All of the auctioned domains without a drop history are working, however.

Has anyone else noticed this? (if you don't run tests don't answer this please, I am not looking for your opinion/"experience" here even if you were doing SEO before the internet started)

P.S How I test my PBNs are I create content, let it sit at least a month after indexing, then link to a competitor in your niche whos site hasn't been receiving any links, usually on page 3-4, make the link an exact match anchor, track the competitor's site for the exact anchor text I linked. Then typically one of two things happen:
1. Nothing

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repead that 2x times. after the 3rd cycle that ban is gone.

Deleted member 935174 · Oct 18, 2017

patlang said:
The link juice of incoming links is never lost no matter what. However if you get an expired domain and do not use the old website's script + content than domain's overall power will be reduced by at least 80%.

This is why when rebuilding an expired domain we recommend building a new site with the same topic as before. And from there twist the links so it suits where you are linking to.
Example: You are building a PBN and want to link to a casino site. You find an expired domains about fishing. Make a new site about fishing, and in one of the articles you can "twist" the content to produce the link you want. In one of the articles you can write that a way to get all the good fishing gear is to win a huge jackpot in your casino.

patlang · Oct 18, 2017

Deleted member 935174 said:
This is why when rebuilding an expired domain we recommend building a new site with the same topic as before. And from there twist the links so it suits where you are linking to.
Example: You are building a PBN and want to link to a casino site. You find an expired domains about fishing. Make a new site about fishing, and in one of the articles you can "twist" the content to produce the link you want. In one of the articles you can write that a way to get all the good fishing gear is to win a huge jackpot in your casino.

it doesn't work that way anymore. you will get way much better results if you restore your site from archive vs building a new blog from scratch. unless you show google your new site is a continuation of an old site. mixing old niche with the new one as you explained won't help you much.

Bakchiadai · Oct 18, 2017

darulez said:
repead that 2x times. after the 3rd cycle that ban is gone.

OK thanks will try.

Deleted member 935174 · Oct 18, 2017

patlang said:
it doesn't work that way anymore. you will get way much better results if you restore your site from archive vs building a new blog from scratch. unless you show google your new site is a continuation of an old site. mixing old niche with the new one as you explained won't help you much.

First of all it does work. I have personally seen hundreds of cases. Do you have facts or proof to back this statement up?

Second, restoring content means often using copyrighted material which is illegal.

patlang · Oct 18, 2017

Deleted member 935174 said:
First of all it does work. I have personally seen hundreds of cases. Do you have facts or proof to back this statement up?

Second, restoring content means often using copyrighted material which is illegal.

Yeap I just carried out a study. Try it yourself.

I picked around 45 easy Kw for my 45 expired domains. Kws that noone would even rank for. Pick one site ranking on page 2 and use this exact match anchor from your new setup blog. My average increase after 30 days was from 0 up to 5 positions.

Then remove everything completaly, restore the site from archive and pick another site ranking for the same kw and send a link. My average increase was from page 2 to position 1-5 on page 1 within a week/max 2.

Just to differ variables half of my pbns were archive restores at first, the other half were new blogs.

I am not saying whether you should go this way and break copyrights or not.

I am just saying it is 100% confirmed expired domains with new blogs setup and script are devalued. Test it yourself.

Bakchiadai · Oct 18, 2017

patlang said:
Yeap I just carried out a study. Try it yourself.

I picked around 45 easy Kw for my 45 expired domains. Kws that noone would even rank for. Pick one site ranking on page 2 and use this exact match anchor from your new setup blog. My average increase after 30 days was from 0 up to 5 positions.

Then remove everything completaly, restore the site from archive and pick another site ranking for the same kw and send a link. My average increase was from page 2 to position 1-5 on page 1 within a week/max 2.

Just to differ variables half of my pbns were archive restores at first, the other half were new blogs.

This test disagrees:
http://diggitymarketing.com/traffic-generating-pbns/

darulez · Oct 18, 2017

Bakchiadai said:
This test disagrees:
http://diggitymarketing.com/traffic-generating-pbns/

you expired can rank, but stil can give a piss of link juice..

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