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Expired domain with PR newbie question

Discussion in 'Domain Names & Parking' started by billsfan2012, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. billsfan2012

    billsfan2012 Regular Member

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    Shortly after G00gz rolled out the latest Pr update, I decided to look into something I had never done before. With a list of domains that had just expired, I decided to register a domain that had expired wiht PR4. the PR update had already affected all of my existing sites, so I was thinking it's completed, and if a domain has PR4 after that, its safe until at least the next update.

    But it appears...yesterday it went to PR0.

    The expired domain was aged and it had some nice backlinks.

    so my question becomes... if you are purchasing an expired domain with PR, is it just a matter of luck in regards to whether or not it will be stripped of its Pagerank soon thereafter? Or is there a way of knowing which are safe and which to avoid? Or is this just very common that after a domain expires it loses the pagerank.

    Thx for helping a noob out.
     
  2. jass11

    jass11 Elite Member

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    Best way to keep a legit PR is
    using 404 Redirecting,

    Redirect all your 404 pages to your main domains,if you are are using Wordpress there are plugins(404 Redirect) for this.
     
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  3. mrankin

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    It's just luck IMO. I did the same thing 2 months ago, bought an expired PR4 domain. Just this week it has gone to PR2.
     
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    It is hit and miss imho.
     
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  5. testdrive

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    Are you sure, you bought a domain with real PR? If you bought your domain in godaddy auction, be careful and make sure you checked the domain for fake PR before buying.

    There are lots of ways to do this, scrapebox is one method and there are also some sites that bulk check for fake PR.
     
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  6. billsfan2012

    billsfan2012 Regular Member

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    Thanks for all the replies. I found the domain on http://www.expireddomains.net/ and it remained PR4 for at least 2 days after the latest PR update. On expireddomains.net if you sort by PR (high to low) and hover over the Pagerank, you find that most are RED (indicator for "Looks fake"). The domain I found was GREEN for verified legit PageRank. I also ran backlink checker and verified PR myself at prchecker.info.

    I also installed a wordpress theme, wrote a couple posts, started to work on the site a bit... not sure if it helps or hurts, but incidentally this is about the time PR4 vanished.

    Expireddomains.net seems like a reliable source for recently expired domains and I'm not sure of the integrity behind domains with "green" PR, but from what the rest of you say, I think I simply gambled and lost. I guess it is what it is, for an $8-9 loss I'm not too bummed but I think its something I'll avoid doing in the future. Good to try new things and learn from experience, you know? Now back to my tumblr experiment
     
  7. meannn

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    I also bought some pr6 expired domains. One is 5 now and two of them are still 6.
     
  8. tranceinside

    tranceinside Newbie

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    Let me clear your minds.. Once a domain gets expired.. Its put on hold for certain redemption period or auction. And once it gets deleted it becomes a fresh dropped domain with PR0 and all the stats are deleted..Google also flushes deleted domains from their indexing to rank up other active domains..So stop looking for domains with PR ranking. Grab active PR domains from Dnforum or Sedo.. And if you digging into expireddomains net - TRY TO GRAB THE DOMAINS WITH THE MOST BACKLINKS!!!!! NOT THE PR STATUS!
     
  9. tranceinside

    tranceinside Newbie

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    meann.. Well soon your domain would become PR0 if you bought a deleted domain- It might be in their system for reset. You il have to start all over again.
     
  10. billsfan2012

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    Thank you. And forgive me if what I'm about to ask is a stupid question but I'm trying to learn here.

    It would make sense to me if ALL expired domains lose their PageRank after they expire or get deleted, but look at meann and also look at others, their domains have kept PR, so how is it some do and some don't. It would make sense to me if all expired/deleted domains lost their pagerank because after all, even if someone swoops it up, it's not the same site anymore, but it seems not always the case.

    Perhaps the best thing to do is to pickup an expired domain with PR and backlinks after its been expired for a week or so, and still has not lost the PR, but then again, that is unlikely because people aren't going to let an expired/deleted domain with good PR sit for that long, right?
     
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    Hey dear, if google flushes domains, why some of my domains remain with same pagerank of 6 ? I bought them 10 days ago and like 5 days after, PR update happened, the domains pageranks are remained at 6. Cheers.
     
  12. MarkWW

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    This is another evidence that domains PR drop can occur other than during an official PR update which happens once every 3 months.

    I see too much misleading information here. First of all, there is no such things as "PR reset" or "Rankings reset" after a domain gets deleted.

    OP: Next time, check your domain with Ahrefs.com, export all d*follow backlinks, then run them through a PR checker. This should give you a better idea whether your desired domain will keep it's Pagerank or not.
     
  13. tranceinside

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    MarkWW- You must read some articles before commenting the second line..Once a domain gets deleted form a registry server .. Its flushed out with 0 stats..Backlinks, Visitors are secondary...

    Well everyone must know that if a domain gets deleted. Its queued for stats reset that takes time. Secondly always try to grab the domain on the same registrar instead of another.. And always looks the number of backlinks, google indexed pages and CPC value instead of PR status.. PR just represents the levels of page ranking on the basis of other factors like daily unique visits, backlinks and other stuff..
     
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    yea thats true
     
  15. kvmcable

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    You need to toss your articles out the fukin window. I have networks of expired domains and auction domains and 90% of what you posted is pure BS. I have websites with 2 frickin backlinks that are PR3 domains and have been from over a year through many Google PR updates. I also have websites with over 100,000 backlinks that Google won't index a single page let alone give it PR.

    Purchase a couple thousand domains from drops and auctions and come back here next year and tell us what you've learned.

    You'll learn PR only comes from backlinks. Has no consideration of anything except backlink quality from other sites.

    You'll learn your idea of "flushing" is not a process by Registrars or Google, it's a result of a domain going offline for a length of time and search engines finding page not displayed repeatedly.

    You'll learn any domain with age, PR or considerable backlinks is caught when it expires and renewed by Registrars to list to auctions. They're allowed a grace period where they can get full redemption for the renewals and some Registrars will exercise this renewal purchase and redemption several times keeping domains listed on their auction sites until they're sure nobody wants them at a premium. Then they really drop and show up at sites like expired and others.

    The idea of getting valued domains from those drop lists is gambling you're going to find something Registrars missed and slipped through the cracks. It happens. Not often but it happens. You're digging for a needle in a haystack and without an arsenal of tools to weed out the junk you can spend a lot of resources finding a decent PR site that will hold PR for any length of time. As more and more people get in the game it's more difficult. I know people that spend hours a day examining upcoming drops and set Registrar API tools that try to register those expiring domains twice a second the day they drop. Again to think the Registrars missed these domains and the drop-catchers also missed them and you can wait and grab them minutes or hours after they've dropped is like hoping to hit the lottery.

    Good luck to everyone but don't spread this BS about domains being flushed by Registrars or search engines when they drop. They lose stats when they're offline. Just like a registered domain would do if you took the site down. Once the bots hit the site repeatedly and there is nothing there, the indexed pages start dropping off the roll. The backlink checkers so the same sort of indexing and if a site is 404 or 500 then they start purging their database of records for that site. Bring the site back online and let those backlink checkers find a live site and those old backlinks will reappear for that site on those statistic sites because the links never disappeared and now point to an active site.
     
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  16. MarkWW

    MarkWW Regular Member UnGagged Attendee

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    Ahhh you saved me time, kvmcable. Thanks!
     
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    You are absolutelly right. In expired domains is a tiny chance. Lets say about 1% for purchasing domain, which can earn on intself and profit for you in future.
     
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    It's not luck as long as domain has good pr links it will keep pr. Also make sure domain was not blacklisted or spammed prior.
     
  19. thelightning

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    pr may remain the same or drop. little to no seo benefit.