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Email Submits | How to scale it up Properly?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Siek, Jul 7, 2009.

  1. Siek

    Siek Regular Member

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    I?ve been doing email submits for a while and it can quite lucrative since its so easy to get a lead..I now want to take it to the next level and figure out how to continue doing email submits but scale it x10. I never really paid attention to much about making leads convert for the advertiser, I was more concerned with getting them to submit their email ? therefore, my quality leads are very low (but email submits are already low quality to begin with)

    I did all the usual stuff
    1) Fake referrers
    2) Made sure the email submits were in the standard conversion rate range (not that it mattered since you get scrubbed hardcore)
    3) Rotated across many networks over many different email submits

    That parts easy?but what I want to know is what makes the networks happy with email submits anyways? There seems to be two ways that would make them happy?
    a) the user fills out and completes the program requirements that come with the email submit
    b) from the massive spam the user gets from submitting their email in the first place

    Now I am concerned with quality in hopes that I don?t get scrubbed as much (unlikely) ? to do this I am going to get my leads to ?try? to complete the second page ? but that seems pretty unlikely as well. Or should I just forget about all this quality junk and just continue to do what im doing just on a larger scale? Lol

    Anyone have any suggestions on how I should approach this?
     
  2. stealthisblog

    stealthisblog Regular Member

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    Many times advertisers will make you stop running their offer if your lead quality sucks. If you ignore them and continue running it they may even not pay you at all... so definitely don't ignore lead quality if you're looking for something long term and scalable. Simply getting them to fill out the second page isn't enough - they have to use REAL information. Most people who fill out the 2nd page and even the email use fake info. Also, thats not even what the advertisers are really looking for - they want the person to actually be interested in the offer so they continue to complete the requirements for the prize. If youre doing it BH email submits definitely aren't going to be long term; if you do it WH, however, and can make everything I said above work out, you can definitely go long term with it.
     
  3. bhdude688

    bhdude688 Power Member

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    They want leads that convert, that do the program requirements. So you probably need to mix in real traffic. PPC, or real campaigns where they understand that they get free things from doing the whole thing.
     
  4. UndeniableSpirit

    UndeniableSpirit Regular Member

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    Are you having a lot of success with email submits with WH methods?

    If so, I really think you should right a quick ebook and sell it or something. Email submits are way easier than getting sales (especially with WH methods) so I'm sure a lot of people would want it.
     
  5. Siek

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    Yeah these are the answers i figured you guys would say... and this can be done long term... i've been doing it for the longest time without any consequences.. but what im trying to figure out is how to do it so that I can scale it properly...

    At the moment i am probably not being noticed by the networks as its spread across serveral networks... i have the ability to upscale this but not sure if i should cause i will be definately be noticed...

    i've done this WH... but it has come to a point where I am rotating way to many email submits that PPC WH is just not possible.

    i guess ill just continue to stay under the radar.. lol
     
  6. jake3340

    jake3340 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Only way you could try get away from this is switch the offers trough every 20$ or so, so that the merchants wont complain.
     
  7. herron

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    I think a lot of the quality verification would come from when the advertiser tries to contact the participant (bounce backs). A user who is just doing an email submit to get to another page is highly likely to enter a fake email address. A person genuinely interested with the offer will always enter a legitimate email as they want what they ad offers. Maybe make it an incentive for the BH leads to use a real email address - send what they are after to their email address rather than using a redirect perhaps.

    Another one to get them to complete the optional survey/advertiser offer pages might be to use the old-school "find the password to the file in the 7th word of the 3rd line of the 2nd paragraph of the last page type thing". If you offer the right thing then the user will try anything to get that password... The beauty is the file might not even exist. If you use something like a basic server authentication on the files directory and use a fake user/password then the user will just keep searching for the non-existant password. They think they have stuffed up, not that the file isn't there.

    With this method you can put the conditions on an external page, link them to a legitimate page that has the banner for the email submit, and get them to click the banner. This way the referrer doesn't need to be faked and you can also direct legitimate traffic to this page using PPC etc to cover your tracks. When the AM checks the referring page they won't see anything sus.
     
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  8. madinaz

    madinaz BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    I actually find the easiest and best way to do email submits are with white hat traffic. I have tons of mailing lists for related niches and I just hit them a lot with emails. If you need to hit large numbers and can't do it whitehat do yourself a favor and at least try to use targeted traffic. Scrape craigslist, backpage, gumtree and then hit your scaped list with a related submit.

    For example I scraped the real estate for sale section of craigslist and hit the list one time with 1 email (spam) for a sell your house offer and made like $1500 for that campaign.

    If your not into emailing then do some incentive offers or mislead some people with sliced offers. There are tons of ways to do submits but in my book submits are not something I mess with much as I find it easier to sell a 1 biz op than get 15-20 submits.
     
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