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Email submit offers that don't convert at email submit? lol

Discussion in 'CPA' started by tooled, Jan 26, 2012.

  1. tooled

    tooled Registered Member

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    Hello fellow bhw members.

    I just started with CPA and signed-up for some networks. I got accepted at Adscend, Peerfly, Axon Media and even EWA, the only network I ain't got an answer is Neverblue.

    Long story short I decided to stick with Adscend and promote some email submit offers on twitter. I had a great method ready to get some decent conversions, stuff I did on the past and that used to work really well. I created 1 (female) twitter account and started promoting an email submit offer on restaurant coupons. First day I've had it setup I even made to send 47 visitors to the offer but got no leads. 2nd day I created another twitter account and started promoting another email submit offer for a free $25 visa for a discount on pizza hut. I sent about 70~90 visitors to the restaurant offer + 40 to the visa, 110 clicks, 0 conversions. Today I started another account, this time trying something different, a PPI of one of those tools you use to 'clean-up' your pc. Same history, got a lot of clicks but no leads.

    I found this to be fishy so after some consideration I decided to fill an offer to see if it was converting or not. As it was an email submit offer, it was supposed to convert on email submission, on the first page, right? Or am I missing something here? Becuz I filled the email for both offers and even after 1 hour I ain't got the lead count on my adscend account.

    The fact is that after I filled the email and submited the offer I got asked for a bunch more personal information (like name, address, telephone) and one of the offers even asked me to install a Firefox plugin. WTF???

    If you have any experience on this, please shed me some light and clear up my thoughts, I may be missing something VERY IMPORTANT here.

    Thanks in advance!!
     
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  2. rever20

    rever20 Junior Member

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    I am also wondering. I am new to cpa and could not find any offer that actually converts by a single email.
     
  3. n3xus

    n3xus Junior Member

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    ha thats the advertisers compensating for fraudulent leads people send them, they're trying to qualify the email list their receiving more.

    essentially we provide them crap, so they won't take our word for it anymore that we're sending them quality.
     
  4. tooled

    tooled Registered Member

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    An email submit offer is supposed to convert on a valid email submission. That's my concern. The offers I'm promoting are supposed to convert on email submit but they don't.
     
  5. tooled

    tooled Registered Member

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    So there is no point in calling them email submit. I still have my doubts, because I saw lots of people talking about email submit offers and how they make money iframing the email box and the submit button from the offer LP. How they are supposed to generate leads if the user has to do a lot more than submiting his email? I just don't get it.
     
  6. Whisker

    Whisker Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    They haven't converted strictly on the email submit for years. Outside of cpa network shaving, the advertisers factor in how much you are earning them and then shave you down to a certain % based on that. I realize that's kind of confusing and misleading but that's how it is. The email alone is not worth much to the advertiser, it's an engaged user who is willing to do many more actions after submitting their email.
     
  7. ohaider

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    True landing page email submits are hard to come by. Typically they are "first page" submits which come after the landing page. Also not all networks update their data instantly, I personally have noticed about a 3 hour lag in adscends' tracking. The fact that you are the publisher and filled in a lead may have resulted in a negated lead. Also twitter traffic is largely bots (look at what we have done to it) and very hard to convert. Try pushing the clicks to over 1000, as I have found twitter to convert about 1 in 1000 for my general spam campaigns. Additionally this is also why you need to cross-test offers. Sometimes the server side pixels may not be set up right resulting in all leads being discounted (pixel never fires).
     
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  8. tooled

    tooled Registered Member

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    Now that explains a lot to me. Thanks a lot!!!

    If you are just posting your url to twitter, its bot will fetch it at least 3 times before allowing it to be published, thats why they shorten the url using t.co domain. So when you post an url and the stats shows you got lots of instant clicks, you can be sure that it is the twitter bot checking the url to see if its an affiliate link. If it is, they will just ban your account (if its a direct link).

    I already knew that and I have set up an gateway to filter/redirect the traffic as to not get my twitter accounts banned. Based on some filtering critereas I have set up I can either redirect the traffic to the offer itself (direct link if its a real user) or redirect it to any other website (if it find out its twitter bot checking the url). This way, when you mouse over one of my links on twitter it shows the redirect page, not the offer link, because thats what the twitter bot sees.

    It's somewhat confusing but it works flawlessly. I'm sure the traffic I get is 100% from real users.
     
  9. bikerboy

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    I've tested 100+ email submits for a few months. 90% of them sucked as in they don't convert (mostly cause they scrub).

    They scrub cause I see them convert 1 day, and NOT the next few days.

    But the remaining ones that don't scrub are actually good.

    It's about testing as many as you can and finding the keepers.
     
  10. howard_hughes

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    email submits convert at email submits but some advertizers scrub leads ( emails that are already in their system previously )

    Ofcourse, After the email submit they want to collect more data from the user (as much as they can) but they should definitely convert at email submit.. if they don't change the network.

    Try PeerFly n MaxBounty
     
  11. tigerjim14

    tigerjim14 Newbie

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    Peerfly is very good. I have had pretty good luck with Diablo Media also.
     
  12. paulcarter97

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    I just started on ascend media, and if what you tell is true. I will quit of it.
     
  13. mikkosoporno

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    My experience says Peerfly is good but I rarely send any traffic to Maxbounty as they shave like crazy.
     
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    This is great information!

    You may also want to look into Zip submits. I've found them to be MUCH easier.
     
  16. Union

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    same problem here, i started to promote some email offers from Max Bounty, i created about 8 different campaigns on Facebook, and tested all of them...
    So, finally i lost $129.** and didnt got ANY LEADS :)
    Later i ask my wife, to tell to her best friends about one of my Site, Promoting Magazine, later 3 girls told me that they Sign up for that offer from my site, cause it was something they want.... And again, no any leads...
    i dont know whats wrong, but im not gonna promote more offers from MB....
    another interesting moment was with Credit History ...offer, one of my friend is looking for a house right now, and he call me to ask how he can see more details about his Credit History... i gave him several tips, and i gave him one of my site with Credit report... I went to his apartment and we completed 2 offers, on his name and his wife name, And this was very good site, we find a lot of info for FREE... But after i came home, i check my MB account and again, no any leads....

    I dont know whats going on with MB, but im not gonna work anymore with ....
     
  17. headhunterzz

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    Do you think it s a delay problem?
    I personnaly don t know how cpa network do tracking for e mail submit. I understand when it s about tracking clicks but submit?
     
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  19. headhunterzz

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    I read the peerfly link above, if i understand when they are talking about zip mail submit offers that s not true. I didn t know this fact.

    So, if there s currently problems with cpa network leads i will create a JV with 30000 members. I complet your offers, you complet mine lol
     
  20. kazhkaz

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    I haven't had such problems with Peerfly although I can't be sure that they aren't shaving the conversions.