Email Only ZIP Submit Offers
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ximscreamingx
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- Jan 16, 2008
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They will see the IP.
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havokb8
Guest
still run a redirect through everything....
They see the referrer data. If the submit is allowing Search, Web Placement, and Email then you are not really going to have a problem. Watch though, because sometimes they state "No Freebie Sites" which constitutes sites such as Yahoo Answers, Myspace etc... They just dont want any complaints. Masking the referrer works here (somewhat blackhat considered) or driving to a landing page link to a php redirect for your offer.
Some networks such as Hydra, Neverblue, Azoogle, Maxbounty, Advaliant etc with their own proprietary tracking platforms can see more such as web browsers used and other unseen things that only they know about.
If you are worried about advertising on other sites then just be straight with em. I do Media Buys for myself, my company and clients across multiple networks and sometimes I may get asked why I am getting so much referrer data from a specific forum. When this is happening it's usually from a banner ad linking directly or I've negotiated a Forum blast to the webmaster's members. No biggie, just have to keep them informed.
Any details you might provide? It's a blackhat forum here and I am mostly covering whitehat shit so I dont know if this will be any help to ya.
Edit - Saw the replies after posting:
Cloaking -->Should be called masking
Networks refer to cloaking as masking. As long as shit runs smoothly there is nothing wrong with cloaking at all. It's encouraged.
Some networks such as Hydra, Neverblue, Azoogle, Maxbounty, Advaliant etc with their own proprietary tracking platforms can see more such as web browsers used and other unseen things that only they know about.
If you are worried about advertising on other sites then just be straight with em. I do Media Buys for myself, my company and clients across multiple networks and sometimes I may get asked why I am getting so much referrer data from a specific forum. When this is happening it's usually from a banner ad linking directly or I've negotiated a Forum blast to the webmaster's members. No biggie, just have to keep them informed.
Any details you might provide? It's a blackhat forum here and I am mostly covering whitehat shit so I dont know if this will be any help to ya.
Edit - Saw the replies after posting:
Cloaking -->Should be called masking
Networks refer to cloaking as masking. As long as shit runs smoothly there is nothing wrong with cloaking at all. It's encouraged.
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IsoRipper
Junior Member
- Feb 4, 2008
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Well, the issue is that the offer is supposed to be email only, and the offer is a exclusive $2 per lead email submit, I was wondering if I run ppc to it, what would they see. Also, if emailing to an email list, if users click straight to the "un"cloaked link, what referer info will they see
Thks for the great input
Thks for the great input
Well,
Here is a response at which I am torn to say. As a network owner, I wont and dont encourage any activity that constitutes a publisher breaking the terms of an advertiser.
I would be a total hypocrite if I did not offer a blackhat response that says if you were thinking about doing something like that, I would mask clear from the beginning man. Mask the PPC And Email all at once. This gives you leverage. If you dont mask the email links then they will see straight referrer. If you DO mask and are running two sources then if you have a problem and a manager comes at you, you have masked the link from the beginning and now you just go to your Autoresponder or Data Management system and mail them a screen shot of what you have mailed.
Edit - Iso, a good way to get around this as well and boost your own backend is to create a landing page for PPC and have people opt in for something. You can then redirect thru an Autoresponder after the person optins in. I like double optin for my important lists but I do use my own Data Management that only requires one optin to mail for these very reasons. If they say email only, the whitehat way is to have people optin for something (Not incentive) and then straight redirect the autoresponder thru a soft php redirect on your server.
Get Creative
Here is a response at which I am torn to say. As a network owner, I wont and dont encourage any activity that constitutes a publisher breaking the terms of an advertiser.
I would be a total hypocrite if I did not offer a blackhat response that says if you were thinking about doing something like that, I would mask clear from the beginning man. Mask the PPC And Email all at once. This gives you leverage. If you dont mask the email links then they will see straight referrer. If you DO mask and are running two sources then if you have a problem and a manager comes at you, you have masked the link from the beginning and now you just go to your Autoresponder or Data Management system and mail them a screen shot of what you have mailed.
Edit - Iso, a good way to get around this as well and boost your own backend is to create a landing page for PPC and have people opt in for something. You can then redirect thru an Autoresponder after the person optins in. I like double optin for my important lists but I do use my own Data Management that only requires one optin to mail for these very reasons. If they say email only, the whitehat way is to have people optin for something (Not incentive) and then straight redirect the autoresponder thru a soft php redirect on your server.
Get Creative
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multicolorguru
Junior Member
- Jun 11, 2008
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Interesting question,
for your problem, definately run it through a cloaker cause the ppc campaign withotu any cloaking would show (adwords) google.com + keywords etc as referrer.
An email client would give you a blank referrer (application based), but I have no idea about the webbased. I assume they will send the mail.google.com as sth but I am not sure.
for your problem, definately run it through a cloaker cause the ppc campaign withotu any cloaking would show (adwords) google.com + keywords etc as referrer.
An email client would give you a blank referrer (application based), but I have no idea about the webbased. I assume they will send the mail.google.com as sth but I am not sure.
cousinvinnie
Registered Member
- Feb 19, 2007
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Most CPA Networks ask you to not use their direct link but to redirect through a redirector or a custom script ( like we wrote), cloaking also works well.
BTW Do you have some samples of landing pages you have designed? I am looking to have more made
garr12
Regular Member
- Jun 29, 2008
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x2
always use a redirect
it also helps you if your doign email marketing since most if not all the CPA's linsk are listed or you will cause them to be listed, rotation is the key
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havokb8
Guest
well here at blackhatworld we call it cloaking lol
They see the referrer data. If the submit is allowing Search, Web Placement, and Email then you are not really going to have a problem. Watch though, because sometimes they state "No Freebie Sites" which constitutes sites such as Yahoo Answers, Myspace etc... They just dont want any complaints. Masking the referrer works here (somewhat blackhat considered) or driving to a landing page link to a php redirect for your offer.
Some networks such as Hydra, Neverblue, Azoogle, Maxbounty, Advaliant etc with their own proprietary tracking platforms can see more such as web browsers used and other unseen things that only they know about.
If you are worried about advertising on other sites then just be straight with em. I do Media Buys for myself, my company and clients across multiple networks and sometimes I may get asked why I am getting so much referrer data from a specific forum. When this is happening it's usually from a banner ad linking directly or I've negotiated a Forum blast to the webmaster's members. No biggie, just have to keep them informed.
Any details you might provide? It's a blackhat forum here and I am mostly covering whitehat shit so I dont know if this will be any help to ya.
Edit - Saw the replies after posting:
Cloaking -->Should be called masking
Networks refer to cloaking as masking. As long as shit runs smoothly there is nothing wrong with cloaking at all. It's encouraged.
macchiavelli
Junior Member
- May 4, 2007
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Stay away from zip/submits from hotgiftzone.....these bastards scrub you hard, one day you convert 30% and the next day they convert at 5%....that aint normal:|
sand_wizard
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- Jan 15, 2009
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isoripper08, please be on AIM or your preferred communication method. Let's talk about my idea.