Wilson Grant Fisk
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- Nov 10, 2012
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tl;dr You were in the wrong.
Ebay: Am I Wrong or Was I Wronged?
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tl;dr You were in the wrong.
cant be true, because I can show you thousands of powerssellers on ebay.de selling accounts, keys and all kind of digital goods.
And my statement is still valid, you are not allowed to lie in feedbacks, destroying someones business based on lies is a crime and entitles you even to civil demands.
But whatever...
Seems like you are all just talking about ebay.com. and not about ebay in general.
Aluminium
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- Dec 5, 2013
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It's weird because PayPal is pretty much the other way around.
But this wouldn't help you at all because what you were doing is against eBay TOS. Basically what you were doing is having a big sign out front "$1 CHINESE FOOD FOR SALE" and when people walked in, you took their money and gave them a flyer for a real chinese restaurant, and then complaining that people who walked in didn't read the small print. I can't say I disagree with eBay that their site shouldn't be used that way.
zionbar
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Read their TOS brother, digital items like e-books are NOT ALLOWED on ebay.
And like I said if you do sell them, you must send a hard-copy via mail. period.
Do people still sell ebooks, even though theyre against the tos ? they do. same way people sell used cosmetics and fake brands.
And if you saw PowerSellers doing that, they probably do send a hard-copy via e-mail or there is a category that you can actually list EBOOKS but in that category you don't get any feedback, and its actually some sort of a "Branch" of ebay or something, but its not on the actually e-bay marketplace
I disagree with toml and zionbar.
If I wrote a sign outside that says "Free Chinese Food for 99 cents", people wouldn't just hand over 99 cents without asking me first. They would ask me questions like "where is the food?", "what's on the menu?" etc. By that time, I would have told them already they are getting a flyer that tells them where they can get it for free.
It's not a scam nor is it misleading. It's the buyers who have to know what they are buying. Just because they read a title and make assumptions without finding out more about it makes it their responsibility, and not the seller. I clearly write it out in 72 font lettering. How is that misleading? It's the biggest thing on the page! It says, "I DO NOT HAVE THE ITEM, NOTHING WILL BE SHIPPED TO YOU, IT IS AN EMAIL YOU WILL RECEIVE....". How is it misleading? It's only misleading to people who are irresponsible buyers. Even when I tell them straight to their face, they still thought I was going to ship them something for 99 cents and FREE half way around the world. All I'm saying is, this level of irresponsibility on the buyers part is ridiculous. The new feedback system PROTECTS dumb buyers basically. They can say whatever they want and blame the seller afterwards when they realize they didn't understand what they were buying when it was written clearly in front of them and in the title.
Next, I was doing some more research and came across some old threads about how to get positive feedbacks, either by buying them, or trading them, etc. I checked on ebay right now and turns out that in 2016, they are still allowed to do this. Basically, in auction format, people are selling things like recipes or an image, for 0.01 cent. No where in the title does it say that it's pick up only and not an actual delivery or item or email. It's written in the description below and they all wrote the same thing I did. They say that it's not an item for delivery or anything in the email, but for LOCAL PICK UP ONLY. They wrote things like, "please purchase only if you understand what you are buying" etc etc....now how is that any different from what I did? I didn't know that people were doing this to basically buy or trade positive feedbacks for pennies. I checked their ratings and most of them have 5000 or more with 99% or higher ratings. So obviously, people are buying it and not giving them negative feedbacks later on saying, "where's my recipe book? It still didn't arrive?".
That is no different from what I did, except I didn't do it to get positive feedbacks. I didn't even know this method existed. I was doing it honestly to give them information. Buy It Now only allowed us to price things at 99 cents minimum, so maybe that's the problem versus 0.06 cents.
This actually leads me to my next question which I will ask later on.
If I wrote a sign outside that says "Free Chinese Food for 99 cents", people wouldn't just hand over 99 cents without asking me first. They would ask me questions like "where is the food?", "what's on the menu?" etc. By that time, I would have told them already they are getting a flyer that tells them where they can get it for free.
It's not a scam nor is it misleading. It's the buyers who have to know what they are buying. Just because they read a title and make assumptions without finding out more about it makes it their responsibility, and not the seller. I clearly write it out in 72 font lettering. How is that misleading? It's the biggest thing on the page! It says, "I DO NOT HAVE THE ITEM, NOTHING WILL BE SHIPPED TO YOU, IT IS AN EMAIL YOU WILL RECEIVE....". How is it misleading? It's only misleading to people who are irresponsible buyers. Even when I tell them straight to their face, they still thought I was going to ship them something for 99 cents and FREE half way around the world. All I'm saying is, this level of irresponsibility on the buyers part is ridiculous. The new feedback system PROTECTS dumb buyers basically. They can say whatever they want and blame the seller afterwards when they realize they didn't understand what they were buying when it was written clearly in front of them and in the title.
Next, I was doing some more research and came across some old threads about how to get positive feedbacks, either by buying them, or trading them, etc. I checked on ebay right now and turns out that in 2016, they are still allowed to do this. Basically, in auction format, people are selling things like recipes or an image, for 0.01 cent. No where in the title does it say that it's pick up only and not an actual delivery or item or email. It's written in the description below and they all wrote the same thing I did. They say that it's not an item for delivery or anything in the email, but for LOCAL PICK UP ONLY. They wrote things like, "please purchase only if you understand what you are buying" etc etc....now how is that any different from what I did? I didn't know that people were doing this to basically buy or trade positive feedbacks for pennies. I checked their ratings and most of them have 5000 or more with 99% or higher ratings. So obviously, people are buying it and not giving them negative feedbacks later on saying, "where's my recipe book? It still didn't arrive?".
That is no different from what I did, except I didn't do it to get positive feedbacks. I didn't even know this method existed. I was doing it honestly to give them information. Buy It Now only allowed us to price things at 99 cents minimum, so maybe that's the problem versus 0.06 cents.
This actually leads me to my next question which I will ask later on.
Dude, you pulled a bait and switch. If you didn't have that you were selling a link on the title, that is considered a scam by eBay under their TOS, and as a seller who sells about $50K a month on eBay, I am glad that eBay is policing their site from deceptive selling practices. Stop justifying trying to blame someone else because you blame your buyers for not reading the find print but you not reading the eBay TOS yourself.
whodunit27
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your actually allowed to sell digital item but you must be the creator of the item
i know from experiance i been selling digital items for over 4 years already
ebay buyers do not read the description 90% of the time, your dealing with retards
i know from experiance i been selling digital items for over 4 years already
ebay buyers do not read the description 90% of the time, your dealing with retards
Here's what I concede: I was wrong for selling a digital item/email/link which is against ebay TOS (which I have stopped doing). However, that is entirely a separate matter and has nothing to do with buyer's lack of responsibility for not reading anything other than the title.
Here's what I considered doing just to prove that I'm right (but I won't do it). Let's see what happens if I post a listing where the title says: "Johnson's Baby Powder, 200 g" and sell it for 99 cents with free shipping anywhere in the world. Then in my description, I'll write in 72 font bold red letters: "WARNING: THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS TALCUM POWDER WHICH IS A KNOWN CARCINOGEN (CANCER CAUSING). YOU'VE BEEN WARNED".
I bet you 9 out of 10 people will still buy it and those who do, will not have read the description warning them they are putting their health at risk.
So would you call this ebay listing a LIE? A deception? A false advertisment?? Everything is written out clearly, the buyer can't "assume" that Johnson's Baby Powder is "safe" and doesn't cause cancer. Just because I don't write that in the title, doesn't mean I'm lying, or misleading anyone. It's a perfectly legal product that is still being sold over the counter or anywhere. The buyer's have to have some responsibility in reading and knowing what they are buying. They can't come back later and say, "WTF man? I got cancer!" Now, IF I had never mentioned it, or written it out, then yes, that is deceiving, that is lying, that is misleading.
So where's the buyer's responsibility in all this? Do they not have any? They can just foolishly click and pay for whatever they want and then later file claims and lawsuits that they didn't know despite being told and having it clearly written out?
When you watch commercials on TV and you see things like 50% or 70% red tag sales, then you go into the store and find out that only some things are 70% off and not everything, whose fault is that? The sellers or the buyers? Were the sellers scamming them?
When we used to see toy commercials and at the very end of the commercials some voice over guy always says very quickly "batteries not included", and then the customers goes to the store to buy the toy and complains why there's no battery in the toy, whose fault is that? The customer feels cheated or ripped off because the toy cost only $5 but had to buy 4 AA batteries for $5 so they really spent $10. Even though the commercial did say "batteries not included" very quickly at the end, and it's even written on the box of the toy "batteries sold separately". The customer didn't read, didn't listen, still buys the toy for just $5 and thinks they got a great deal only to find out they have to spend another $5 for batteries. Is this buyer's responsibility or can this be reported to the police or the Courts of Justice as a claim or lawsuit for misleading or deceiving customers? 100% the court will throw that case out because they will say the commercial and the box itself says, "batteries not included".
Here's what I considered doing just to prove that I'm right (but I won't do it). Let's see what happens if I post a listing where the title says: "Johnson's Baby Powder, 200 g" and sell it for 99 cents with free shipping anywhere in the world. Then in my description, I'll write in 72 font bold red letters: "WARNING: THIS PRODUCT CONTAINS TALCUM POWDER WHICH IS A KNOWN CARCINOGEN (CANCER CAUSING). YOU'VE BEEN WARNED".
I bet you 9 out of 10 people will still buy it and those who do, will not have read the description warning them they are putting their health at risk.
So would you call this ebay listing a LIE? A deception? A false advertisment?? Everything is written out clearly, the buyer can't "assume" that Johnson's Baby Powder is "safe" and doesn't cause cancer. Just because I don't write that in the title, doesn't mean I'm lying, or misleading anyone. It's a perfectly legal product that is still being sold over the counter or anywhere. The buyer's have to have some responsibility in reading and knowing what they are buying. They can't come back later and say, "WTF man? I got cancer!" Now, IF I had never mentioned it, or written it out, then yes, that is deceiving, that is lying, that is misleading.
So where's the buyer's responsibility in all this? Do they not have any? They can just foolishly click and pay for whatever they want and then later file claims and lawsuits that they didn't know despite being told and having it clearly written out?
When you watch commercials on TV and you see things like 50% or 70% red tag sales, then you go into the store and find out that only some things are 70% off and not everything, whose fault is that? The sellers or the buyers? Were the sellers scamming them?
When we used to see toy commercials and at the very end of the commercials some voice over guy always says very quickly "batteries not included", and then the customers goes to the store to buy the toy and complains why there's no battery in the toy, whose fault is that? The customer feels cheated or ripped off because the toy cost only $5 but had to buy 4 AA batteries for $5 so they really spent $10. Even though the commercial did say "batteries not included" very quickly at the end, and it's even written on the box of the toy "batteries sold separately". The customer didn't read, didn't listen, still buys the toy for just $5 and thinks they got a great deal only to find out they have to spend another $5 for batteries. Is this buyer's responsibility or can this be reported to the police or the Courts of Justice as a claim or lawsuit for misleading or deceiving customers? 100% the court will throw that case out because they will say the commercial and the box itself says, "batteries not included".
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That's NOT what you were doing though. You were basically saying in your title and picture that you were selling talcum powder and when someone ordered, emailing them a link to where they can buy the talcum powder. If it doesn't clearly state what you are selling in the title and picture, you are being deceptive. End of story. Pulling deceptive stuff like that part of the reason why eBay makes it so difficult sometimes for other sellers.