Ebay affiliate banned..but how they know?

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I got my ebay affiliate account banned today (epn) which is fine cos i violated their tos.

I was just wanting to split test if paid ads work. I want to know how they found out that i was using paid ads when i was redirect from bing to my sote and then redirecting to ebay? The only way they could've possibly tell is by clicking my link in which case isn't that sort of blackhat as well clicking on other peoples ads to check they competition? I could've been a legitimate competitor

Any info welcome
 
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They didn't catch you doing shit

They ban everybody whether you break their tos or not

I've read their tos as well as the Amazon tos and compared to the Amazon affiliate tos, eBay's tos is vague as fuck
 
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Turhan said:
They didn't catch you doing shit

They ban everybody whether you break their tos or not

I've read their tos as well as the Amazon tos and compared to the Amazon affiliate tos, eBay's tos is vague as fuck
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Lol so true - eBay is so paranoid ever since the glory days of exploiting them back in like '08. They dropped the ban hammer like crazy and have sucked ever since.
 
Turhan said:
They didn't catch you doing shit

They ban everybody whether you break their tos or not

I've read their tos as well as the Amazon tos and compared to the Amazon affiliate tos, eBay's tos is vague as fuck
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No they did..ive had the account for 3+ touched it on and off. Today 5 hours later putting bing ad campaign on they banned me and dropped me an email explicitly saying i voilated their tos blah blah amd specifically using their brand for paid ads
 
They might see the referer of Bing paid ads (check the path how users reach ebay)
 
vt2011 said:
They might see the referer of Bing paid ads (check the path how users reach ebay)
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There was a redirect in between so only my personal site was the referer
 
OP if it was that easy to game Ebay in 2017.
 
manpreet said:
There was a redirect in between so only my personal site was the referer
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It's surprising because from what you say the last user click is from your personal site, so it's programmatically impossible for ebay to see your bing ads.
 
vt2011 said:
It's surprising because from what you say the last user click is from your personal site, so it's programmatically impossible for ebay to see your bing ads.
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He didn't say the user clicked from his site, they were redirected.

Could easily have tracked where they came from
 
sturose said:
He didn't say the user clicked from his site, they were redirected.

Could easily have tracked where they came from
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Thats what i want to know how do they track in this case of they do. Here is what i did again:

User flow
Bing ad click > user on page Y on my site > user redirected to page Z on my site > User sent to ebay now

By looking at above bing referer is cleaned between page Y and page Z should show as referrer.

Cookie tracking is not possible as bing and ebay don't share cookies.

So only click bombing ad links by ebay is the only thing i cam think of. The reason why i want to know is so i can get a solution
 
Nut-Nights said:
OP if it was that easy to game Ebay in 2017.
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Its not about gaming at the moment..right now i want to know because I'm curious and think finding out will help me in what i need to do ultimately. Like i said im not even fussed they banned my account as i broke their tos
 
manpreet said:
Thats what i want to know how do they track in this case of they do. Here is what i did again:
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I have no idea about the technical side of how the tracking works, I just know they can.

Maybe somebody experienced in cloaking can explain the tech stuff.
 
manpreet said:
Thats what i want to know how do they track in this case of they do. Here is what i did again:

User flow
Bing ad click > user on page Y on my site > user redirected to page Z on my site > User sent to ebay now

By looking at above bing referer is cleaned between page Y and page Z should show as referrer.

Cookie tracking is not possible as bing and ebay don't share cookies.

So only click bombing ad links by ebay is the only thing i cam think of. The reason why i want to know is so i can get a solution
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"By looking at above bing referer is cleaned between page Y and page Z should show as referrer."
No, it looks like the real user click is on the bing ads, then only redirection to ebay. This flow leaks the bing ads as referer in some cases as it depends on the users browser.
 
Did you do the redirect on the client side using javascript? If so perhaps they are reading the function you are using to redirect from bing
 
vt2011 said:
"By looking at above bing referer is cleaned between page Y and page Z should show as referrer."
No, it looks like the real user click is on the bing ads, then only redirection to ebay. This flow leaks the bing ads as referer in some cases as it depends on the users browser.
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This doesnt make sense to me. Only way it could "leak" is if they can access user history. If this is the case the i can easily rectify my mistake. But i don't (to my knowledge) think they can see history. Google or microsoft can cos they own browsers but ebay is a small player amongst these giants. Also the redirection is bing to my site..my site to my site again... than to ebay. No direct forwarding to ebay..i have done the java myself and followed it through

shaddelick said:
Did you do the redirect on the client side using javascript? If so perhaps they are reading the function you are using to redirect from bing
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Yes. They can trace it back to my site but how can they trace it back to bing ads? Unless they manually match referrer to ad route displayed..in which case how many times and how would they do that...but i guess this is a possibilty
 
manpreet said:
This doesnt make sense to me. Only way it could "leak" is if they can access user history. If this is the case the i can easily rectify my mistake. But i don't (to my knowledge) think they can see history. Google or microsoft can cos they own browsers but ebay is a small player amongst these giants. Also the redirection is bing to my site..my site to my site again... than to ebay. No direct forwarding to ebay..i have done the java myself and followed it through



Yes. They can trace it back to my site but how can they trace it back to bing ads? Unless they manually match referrer to ad route displayed..in which case how many times and how would they do that...but i guess this is a possibilty
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You can perform 1000 redirections from your site, it does not matter. The problem is not the history (btw the remote server can not access the user's browser history), the problem is the browser itself, as I told you some browsers preserve the referer where the click is performed whatever redirections are done afterwards.
 
to OP, if you want to solve the referer issue, it's a piece of cake, just simulate the user click on your personal site page Y or Z and voila (there are plenty of scripts available on the NET). Imo you really need to read and understand what member Nut-Nights say, it's short but very meaningful. What you are trying to do is to convert bh traffic to wh traffic, and in 2017 it's not easy with ebay. If it is only about referer it's easy to trick ebay, but that is not case...
 
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