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"Duplicate" content

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by likeskoolaid, Aug 13, 2010.

  1. likeskoolaid

    likeskoolaid Regular Member

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    What I'm worried about is my content. I'm hoping to keep this site running for a long time, constantly adding and updating it. What concerns me is that most of my content is taken from forums about the niche, where someone writes a guide about constructing something. I copy it, change a lot of the wording and put it on my site, no credit to the original source.

    Because I change it so much I don't think it needs to be credited to them, It looks like it is my own creation. I'm wondering if I will be penalized in the end for this? I'm basically stealing information/guides from forums posted by other people and changing 30% of the words and posting it on my site as my own.

    Also if the guide has pictures, I copy them into my own articles. Am I wasting a lot of my time? Will It eventually get taken down/penalized in the SERPs?

    Thanks.
     
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    stop worrying if you have done total rewrites..
     
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  3. spiider

    spiider Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I believe that There is no such as thing called Duplicate Content Penalty.
     
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  4. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Dulpicate content is worried about far too much.

    Yeah, spin your content, but then that's it. People go out of their way to get 80%+ unique for 100+ spins.

    Yah danglies. The people that really care are the Ezines of this world (and other article sites)

    I have entire sites of dulpicate content, spun to less than 20% original (These are review sites for a specific product)

    What i ALWAYS DO put in is the keyword and keyword tags I want to rank for. (you know title, link tag, post tags etc)
    Other than that - I just post and be damned. I have had top google for loads of long tail words that are only supported by duplicate content. Still have now.

    THe only genuine unique content I always use is for the landing page of a specific URL. 500-800 words totally unique. and often a quick couple of articles for Ezine. (which once they have accepted - I spin ad send everywhere else)

    That's it for the whole site. Rest goes through bestspinner and out via a submission service - job done.

    Mind you, I'm not creating authority sites. If you are it may need a greater unique content %age, but even then I wouldn't get too paranoid about it.

    Mix it up, spin some, create some, downright nick some.

    Scritty
     
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  6. likeskoolaid

    likeskoolaid Regular Member

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    Thanks so much guys. I should have done some searches... I feel like a newb. :)
     
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    goingreen Regular Member

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    Ive been doing research for over 2 months on the subject. Dont feel bad. I just found out today
     
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  8. Micallef

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    Mainly agree. But...

    As mentioned above, dupe content will prevent your page gaining authority status. This has some repurcussions - for example, if you are building a linkwheel to provide relevant authority links to your core site, the links will not pack the same punch as they would do if Google viewed the slave pages as authority pages. For this, I think well-spun (60% +) content is required.

    I admit it is possible to rank well using only slightly spun, or even sometimes word for word dupe content.

    However, the likelihood of achieving a high rank is always higher with unique content.

    In summary - unique content is better, but dupe / lightly spun will do some of the time.
     
  9. blackieman

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    A bit off-topic. What article distro service you use?
     
  10. Scritty

    Scritty Elite Member Premium Member

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    Nope - it really won't.

    Dupllicate content is almost a myth. If youy use a tool like Market Samurai for good phrases then check out the existing competition, you'll often see in the top ten identical content (say a 500 word article) ranking more than once in the top 10.

    Most I've seen is 4x - and that's for a competitive phrase.

    I always use 100% unique fresh content on my main landing pages, but for distribution for Links, I go copy/copy mad.

    I've done some vids on it I'll post to yout&be or similar and link.

    The other myth is content size. With ezone and others insisting on 400 word plus, I can show why much over 250 words is also a waste of time (and probably lowers your ranking)

    What I WILL agree with is unique content on your landing pages, but for your links and articles - I don't think so.

    This way you can get a site up with 10x unique pages a day, (1 or 2 sites) and spend the night with your tools chuntering away submitting a ton of quick spin content you dug up the hour before you went to bed.

    Your sites never get into trouble because they have 100% unique content on them. YOu get a ton of links. Bob's your uncle.

    Scritty
     
  11. Micallef

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    OK, we disagree here, that's fine. I hope you are correct - it would make things so much easier - but I don't think you are.

    You base what you're saying on instances where you've seen 4 copies of the same short article in the top 10 for many commercial, competitive keywords. I haven't seen this.

    Could you kindly provide examples or nudge me in the right direction so I can find some proof? The top 10 certainly isn't full of dupe content on the keywords I target.

    Furthermore, there is a difference between dupe content on new untrusted sites, and on big authority sites.

    Huge established sites may have the authority and trust already to stick it out in the top 10 with dupe content, whereas as new site would be unable to do this.

    I hope I can start to believe you but it all hinges on the proof.

    Can you show me some hot keywords where there are repeated dupes (not on huge authority sites) in the top 10?

    If you can, then I'll be very happy indeed that I can relax my quality standards somewhat.

    Without proof, I've got to maintain my original opinion that Google, as the world's best search engine, doesn't really want to have its users find the exact same info on 4 pages in the top 10 - not a good user experience, and this is what Google is all about.
     
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    If you use duplicate content and want to rank for it - then - as already mentioned - you are losing out to more authoritive sites. So, depending on your goal you need to add authoritive links as well and that's where I think you really need unique, well-readable content.

    I use UAW and SEOLinkvine. I write a unique, very good article and post it to Ezinearticles. Then I spin the article with the best spinner. Takes me about 90 minutes - sometimes more. But in the end each version is extremely unique and so good in quality that I can post it to secondary Ezinearticles accounts, too.
     
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    It's not duplicate, I spin it, two words are changed every sentence, there's no way Google knows that I didn't write the entire thing myself.
     
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    what is the best free contact sppiner
     
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    You are totally underestimating Googles content algorithm and their ability to detect duped content, I'm pretty sure the days are gone where you can just spin words and expect it to look like original content. A few people on this very forum have proved that the best way is to spin not only the content but the structure of the document itself. That means changes the number of sentences/paragraphs.
     
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    dan ryan loves to wear pink thongs will rank very easily
     
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    thisismymp3 Power Member

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    totally totally agree ! they will find it! by structure and sentence count as well, anyone see last nights episode of big brother is watching ? it was about google, printers cell phones how every page printed out has a unique code traced back to your ip on paper if you hold a blue light i think up to it
     
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    hadn't been mentioned--while you're duping pictures, throw them open in mspaint and give them a new size (to make them unique), then save them with your keywords.

    You can get some google image search traffic this way.
     
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    @Micallef,

    If you use your keyword tool to check for a phrase, check the top 10 google pages for that phrase, then open them up.

    The number of times you will see the same content over and over again - word for word. Is quite large.

    These will be top 10 google URL's for competitive words,

    I DON'T do that. (like you I agree that on your own URL's you want unique content) but for rings/comments/links/articles etc - all you need is it spun enough for the host to accept it.

    Ezine and associated (and a couple of others) seem to care a lot - the rest will take 20% spun. and the jiuce you get from that is just as high as if you spent hours writing or spinning.

    Like I say, dig out your keyword tool, and check competition for various phrases.

    I don't know why this is but it vertainly happens a lot.

    Then check the SIZE of the content that's ranking high. It's rarely more than 200 words. ANd there is often a direct negative correlation between content size and page rank.

    NUmber 1 might be 150 words, number 5 250 words and by then you got 400+.

    THat's why Ezine insisting on 400 plus seems almost counter productive.

    Scritty
     
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    Duplicate content is a myth.
    I have a few autoblogs that are nothing BUT duplicate content. I never bothered to rre-write anything. And some of them are PR3 ,one is PR2 and one pr1

    Don't worry too much,just go on with what you re doing.You should be fine.
     
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