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  1. Asif WILSON Khan

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    Scam Alert: This Con Can Cost You Money -- And Send You To Jail

    Kelli Williams, a market researcher by day, was looking for a little side hustle. The 38-year-old from Oak Park, Ill., cruised Craigslist and found what seemed like a great moonlighting gig. “It seemed like it would be perfect. You could work as many or as few hours as you wanted and it was all done from your computer, remotely,” she said.

    A guy named “Bill” had a warehouse in California and wanted her to list items on eBay—under Williams’ account—and manage the transactions and inquiries. Bill would receive the order and ship the goods to the customers. “It all actually worked at first. I listed the items, the people received them, I got some money,” Williams said.

    The honeymoon didn’t last long. “As I took on more and larger items, complaints started rolling in. People weren't getting their items. They were demanding refunds. I kept pestering Bill and he would say the item was on its way. More emails, more demands for refunds. His next excuse was that they got lost in the mail (and he told me some ridiculous percentage of items get lost in the mail every day).”

    But because the items were under Williams’ name and account, she was responsible for giving out refunds for increasingly expensive items, such as exercise equipment, electronics and software. “The last time I contacted Bill to essentially beg him to make this right, he became a totally different person (for all I know he could have been) and threatened me. He said he knew where I lived and worked and would send his ‘family in Chicago’ after me.”

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    Kelli Williams, a market researcher by day, was looking for a little side hustle. The 38-year-old from Oak Park, Ill., cruised Craigslist and found what seemed like a great moonlighting gig. “It seemed like it would be perfect. You could work as many or as few hours as you wanted and it was all done from your computer, remotely,” she said.

    A guy named “Bill” had a warehouse in California and wanted her to list items on eBay—under Williams’ account—and manage the transactions and inquiries. Bill would receive the order and ship the goods to the customers. “It all actually worked at first. I listed the items, the people received them, I got some money,” Williams said.

    The honeymoon didn’t last long. “As I took on more and larger items, complaints started rolling in. People weren't getting their items. They were demanding refunds. I kept pestering Bill and he would say the item was on its way. More emails, more demands for refunds. His next excuse was that they got lost in the mail (and he told me some ridiculous percentage of items get lost in the mail every day).”

    But because the items were under Williams’ name and account, she was responsible for giving out refunds for increasingly expensive items, such as exercise equipment, electronics and software. “The last time I contacted Bill to essentially beg him to make this right, he became a totally different person (for all I know he could have been) and threatened me. He said he knew where I lived and worked and would send his ‘family in Chicago’ after me.”

    Scam victims not only lose money, but they can become an accessory to a crime.
    In all, Williams lost about $5,000 in what's known as a "reshipping scam," and she had to start all over again building a new eBay account because all the bad reviews had made her original one unusable. This happened about 13 years ago, and she's since rebuilt her reputation, but unfortunately, she’s not alone in falling victim to a scam. According to the FBI, college students, especially now, are prone to this kind of con. “Never accept a job that requires depositing checks into your account or wiring portions to other individuals or accounts,” the FBI warns on its website.

    "Reshipping scams, like many job scams, are appealing because they offer the opportunity to get a job and get paid quickly. Because they don't have any experiential or educational requirements, most job seekers are qualified for these sorts of scam jobs, which allows scammers to access a bigger pool of potential victims. Most job seekers feel at least some pressure to get a job quickly, especially if they've been out of work or need extra income to meet their debt obligations. Scammers understand this vulnerability and they prey on it," says Brie Reynolds, a senior career specialist at FlexJobs.com, an agency that helps place people in legitimate work-from-home and part-time positions.

    And to make matters worse, the damage could go beyond losing money for the victims . "Reshipping job scams aren't just annoying--they can actually involve job seekers in criminal activities. Most of the time, the goods being reshipped are stolen, and once a person receives those stolen goods and then mails them to another location, they've unwittingly become part of that crime," Reynolds says. In fact, to her knowledge, there are basically zero legitimate reshipping jobs.


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/vanessamcgrady/2017/03/17/scam/#104b77606d27
     
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    Interesting warning.

    Just wanna point out the author dropped that link to flexjobs.com in there out of the blue. Forbes link hmmm yummy.
     
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    Sounds a lot like many of the JV and "wholesale / dropship hookups" threads I see... obviously scams, but clearly not obvious. Good refresher that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
     
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    Everyone doing this kind of JV must be aware of risking with his own assets for any damage
     
  5. HallLiz

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    These types of posts are all over CL. Every city in every state. Someone is spending a ton on these ads
     
  6. JustUs

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    Now if I only had the money to buy the items from China through Albibaba. What gave me this idea was that my primary mower had an engine problem. After four years commercial use the end cap came loose from the connecting rod and took out the side of the crank case. Engine replacement was called for. I looked into buying the original engine, though I now have reason to dislike Briggs and Stratton (the original engine, and there is no reason except shoddy manufacture for an end cap to come loose because the bolts are locked into place with a metal tab). I was dissatisfied. Then I looked into Honda, I also was not too happy with what I found. Then I ran into an engine that is claimed to be a Honda clone at Harbor Freight. I Paid $104 for it. After buying, I came home and today I installed it. I have to buy a blade adapter from MTD as the PTO is a different size, but what the hell.

    Well. After the work was done, I thought about it and then searched the web. It seems that Honda mower engines, the GC series, are in fact manufactured in China. This can mean that I bought a manufacturer house brand for less than half of what the comparable Honda product costs. Then I decided to look up the Honda costs from China. If you buy in lots of 10 - 50, you can buy the Honda GC motors for $50 a copy. Depending on whom sells, these motors retail for $265 to $400.

    So that would be the key. Don't dropship, buy the items and resell them.
     
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    Thats not so easy......using engines you need to give a warrant.Dealing with this kind of staff can be a mess.
    Also importing from china may end soon when trump start his protectionism and you will stay with your warrants
     
  8. HallLiz

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    No one wants to hear from you.
     
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  9. JustUs

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    Please allow me to show you something. Here are three pages of the exact engine I bought from Harbor Freight. Two are from Ebay and one is Amazon.
    From Amazon, the engine ranges between $165 and $350.
    https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=Predator 5.5 HP 173cc OHV Vertical Shaft Gas

    From Ebay two two pages I show list the engine at $160 and $200.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-5-HP-173c...612358?hash=item3f6a8db886:g:JI0AAOSwOdpX0xaS
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-5-HP-173c...01e2a77&pid=100011&rk=5&rkt=6&sd=380384687165

    At Harbor Fright, the Engine is $104
    http://www.harborfreight.com/55-hp-173cc-ohv-vertical-shaft-gas-engine-carb-69731.html

    Now ask yourself why HF can sell the motors for so much less. The answer, in light of what I previously wrote, will slap you in the head so hard that you will wake up next month. These motors are not sold exclusively through Harbor Freight, though that is where you will see the ads for them.

    Part wise, they use the same GCV parts that you find in a Honda, but there are aesthetic differences, apparently to avoid trade claims.

    If you order in quantity, and an engine is defective, just replace it.

    As far as Trump, that is less of a worry than you think.

    As far as regulation, these motors are 50 state compliant - including EPA and Carb.

    Like anything else, you have to pick your product wisely - including the Honda engines that are the source material for the previous post.
     
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    Watched a bit on the listings on ebay and it seems like a really good product with great roi
    However i disagree with you on trump but thats my personal opinion and everyone needs to decide themself
     
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    I had a similar niche idea fall into my lap last night. The products you can buy at around $150 and they sell for $750 - $1200. I was thinking of setting up a Shopify site and just dropshipping at first. Then if it works out and I have some cash built up I'll start buying in bulk and rent out a warehouse. I'll be able to buy 4 - 5 units for every sale I make.