I'm new to the whole SEO game. However I know all the big tools out there to use Scrapebox, Xrumer, SEONuke etc. All of these programs be it through social media profiles, forum posting, blog postings are supposed to ultimately drive more traffic to your site by placing you higher in search engine rankings. I guess by also providing links for people to click you drive traffic that way too. My question is do these methods really make that big of a difference in traffic? What's the difference in being on page 2 or 97 of goggle if most people just click the top link anyways? I know personally I have never clicked on page 2 of Google for a search. I just enter in a new term to search for. Unless you're #1 on the front page does it really matter? There's so much competition for that spot chances are you won't be there for long unless you have an obscure or new niche. I would assume the amount of traffic you drive is relative to the quality of your post. We get spammers in here all the time posting about some crappy product which gets promptly deleted by admins along with their profile banned. Don't most forum moderators stay on top of spam? Don't most blog publishers delete or not approve comments? SEONuke has a $100 something monthly fee now. Xrumer is $540. Scrapebox is $100. Unless it's done on a mass scale or you sell the services these programs provide I fail to see how it's profitable? What type of numbers are we talking about with these programs that make them and the services so valuable? I'd like to see someone present a reasonable explanation and not unsubstantiated claims of earnings. The math behind the hype so to speak.