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Does CloudFlare protect black hat sites?

Discussion in 'Web Hosting' started by macdonjo3, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. macdonjo3

    macdonjo3 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Not really a hosting question but...

    I notice the CloudFlare protects "best black hat forum" which is just a website that shares pirated software and doesn't really follow DMCA. There are other black hat sites that use CloudFlare too, it's not just them.

    This website would definitely be under DDOS attacks from angry software owners and so it uses CloudFlare to protect itself.

    Why would CloudFlare allow them to use their service? Does CloudFlare even know it's been protecting an illegal download website for years? Or they just don't care what kind of content they are distributing?
     
  2. deki33

    deki33 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    CF will not help you with DDOS if your server is not DDOS protected.
    CloudFlare is only protection if someone attach your domain name. But hackers are smart and they usually point attack directly to your IP and avoid CloudFlare on that way.
    Take hosting at OVH and you are safe.
     
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    JFoulds Power Member

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    Or, on the other hand, ignore all of this because it's all entirely incorrect.


    1. CloudFlare will help mitigate pretty much all DDoS attacks
    2. It's entirely possible to obscure your IP address once you're using the CloudFlare CDN
    3. 'Hackers' who will be DDoSing fit into one of the following categories:
      • Script kiddies - launching relatively minor attacks which should easily be deflected by the CDN and they probably won't have enough intelligence to locate your true server IP
      • Criminal organisations, 'big players' or nation states - and if you're being targeted by these people, you'll have to be making enough money that you'd be insane not to invest in other DDoS mitigation techniques anyway
    4. OVH are a host like any other, there's no reason you'd be better off hosting with OVH than any other hosting company, and this has absolutely nothing to do with DDoS mitigation

    With regards to the original question, in the grand scheme of things BBHF is a relatively 'small fish' to CloudFlare - they may well not even be aware that they're protecting a forum which offers pirated software. And regardless, CloudFlare are almost certainly not breaking any laws by allowing BBHF to utilise their CDN, I'd guess if anyone complained enough they'd just cease providing the service to that domain mind.
     
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    You can still take them down. How ?

    All sites with cf are using cf nameservers and they will show site cache on their server.
    you can send them a notice because your pirated software is being served on their server and ask them to suspend that domain.
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    Send a notice to domain registrar with your copyright documents and that domain will be suspended.
     
  5. deki33

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    OVH is only hosting company who have very strong DDOS protection.
    Google about it and you will see what I'm talking about.
     
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    No.
    OVH is one of thousands of hosting providers that offers DDoS protection. It is certainly not the only one, and it's certainly not the best.
     
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    There is big difference in how strong DDOS one hosting can handle. It is usually written with small letters that people don't read.
    Anyway, I don't have time to argue here with you. Use whatever you want, maybe even hostgator is good for you.
     
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    No shit sherlock, unfortunately, that's a complete non sequitur and doesn't lend any legitimacy to what you're saying.

    Yes, there are big differences in how much DDoS different hosts can handle, and yes, most people don't read it.
    However, this doesn't change the fact that (a) OVH is one of thousands of hosts that offer DDoS protection and (b) OVH is not the best host for DDoS protection.

    I'm glad you don't have time to argue, the less ignorants we have spreading misinformation in these forums the better. Once you start running more than a few affiliate sites I'm sure you'll realise OVH isn't the be-all and end-all for quality hosting, I encourage you to edit your posts and remove the misinformation when (or rather if) that day comes.
     
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    Ok, so which host provides best ddos protection?

    If you are saying that ovh is not best then you should know who's best.
     
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    Jesus christ am I entirely surrounded by idiocy?
    If you Google 'OVH DDoS Protection', literally the second result is complaining about how terrible it is. From personal experience, OVH has a tendency to just null-route your server once the attacks are sustained at a certain level. Saying that's good quality mitigation is like saying that your boat can't be sunk by any ocean waves and then as soon as things get a bit choppy sailing it straight into a fucking dry dock. That's not mitigation.

    CloudFlare, you know, the company actually mentioned by the OP, mitigated a ~450GBps DDoS attack last year if I recall correctly, so they'd be pretty high up there if you're looking a CDN. If you're looking at specific hosting providers with no other protection, although that's idiotic, I'd hedge my bets and go with Amazon AWS, at least then you've got the ELB which offloads a lot more of the attack mitigation to the AWS network directly.

    And yes, the AWS network is exactly one metric shit-tonne better than the OVH network.