Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ClickMyName, Nov 2, 2016.
Like title says, does it still work like before?
I have little experience in churn and burn but with Penguin 4.0 I think churn and burn is dead.
Mainly because it takes a long time for links to get indexed, especially spammy links, plus a few other things.
I personally wouldn't try it but maybe someone with more experience can give a better answer.
Churn and burn is dead or nearly dead. Authority is king.
Anyone that claims anything is dead or king in SEO is a fucking retard.
Look at all the top 10 spammy websites with backlinks made just 2 weeks ago. Any SEO method works if you are lucky enough.
I think you can still rank fast but with thousands of spammy links? I dont think so.
I've seen with my own eyes you can rank a site in 2 weeks on the first and second page but that was with PBN links.
They are no longer in a position to rank shortly,Google always comes up with great solution.
I am looking into getting some outsourced work, mainly PBN Posts (400) & 20000 Churn and Burn Links. Does Google work good with PBN? I'm looking to rank quickly but safely.
Quickly but safely = PBN links.
I've seen you promote PBN's as miracle cures and the only way to rank a site a lot lately.
Are you about to release a PBN service by any chance?
Nope, want to purchase one. You want to take a look at it for me? New to PBN, was into Churn and Burn but my site has now died because of it.
I love it when people say a method is dead.
Churn and Burn is dead.This is definitely with latest Google update .
Because on same time when I was writing some one all ready posted I must say that I have one project now Churn and Burn and it have full diversity with over 100 web 2.0 blogs back up with tier 2 and tier 3 and mixed DA and PA links over 500k.
Now is 40 days and nothing is moving.
So my info is invalid? PBN links aren't a way to rank fast and safely?
I've always recommended PBN links over everything else since forever.
For me it's Not working
seo is dead
A method can evolve, and if you stop evolving with it only then you can term it dead "FOR YOU". SEO is never dead.
Now, as far as churn and burn is concerned, it's still doable. But it will not make any sense ROI-wise, considering the uncertainty surrounding the project( you never know how fast it will tank).
Fast indexing for ranking keywords has been frustrated by the newest Penguin updates, but fast authority link building (such as by using PBN or high metric Web 2.0 links) works like a charm. I took a new domain with zero authority to TF 13 in two weeks this past month, with only a third of the high metric links indexed to it so far. Some of the properties cross-over into 'parasite" territory, and can be safely blasted to contribute to the authority building. I've also tested this on another site using non-unique content (I just reused article directory content and press releases), and found the authority improved just as fast.
So you could say using high-metric links from expired domains and properties is the new 'churning,' while using parasites remains a valid way to help rank or 'burn' without incurring a Google penalty, only cannot be counted on to do so rapidly. Rapid ranking of keywords can happen once nested on high authority pages AFTER its backlinks have been indexed. But the concept of rapid indexing AND rapid ranking in one jump is largely unworkable at this time. It's now a two step process (get quick authority first, quick ranking later).
if by churn and burn you mean blast a site with 1-2 mil links then yes it is definitely dead.
So PBN is the way to go? How long does that take overall thou? Does it get trust from Google too? I don't want to buy PBN services just for them to be penalized by Google.
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