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Do You want to Push and Button and have money shoot out of the other end?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by G0D0VERY0U, Jun 30, 2010.

  1. G0D0VERY0U

    G0D0VERY0U Regular Member

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    First, I was so irritated when I wrote this that I used "and" instead of "A" in the title.

    Second, It's not directed at anyone. I copied it off my notepad and into a post because after I got done I thought "Hey, a newer guy might not know this" and hoped it would helped even if I come across a bit preachy or mean. Wasn't my intention, just irritation with "Why did (fill in spam tool) kill my blog when I stopped using it? And can I pay someone to run this for me." It's always best to understand the basics before getting bored with the "Work" side of SEO, and thinking that nobody else has ever tried to cheat their way to the top for a keyword like "I have a credit card and want to pay for porn" or something. If you want to be #1 for a truly big term, you have to do all this work below better than the next guy. Make the most out of SEO, and then turn that shit black! That's how you blow people out of the water if your in a weak niche, and that's how you build a site that can compete with the big, big guys.

    This is Authority - With the black hat magic making sure everyone see's it - not just the search engines. This will get your SERP's and traffic outside of direct SERP placement. It's every article you pay to have written, in their face with them clicking the resource box. It's ever odd, wacky, semi-pornographic blog comment getting the name clicked. It's a forum fully of nun's clicking on the tip of a nude guys dick with a link to the guy who pays you PPC.

    So here you go new guys. I think pretty much every senior SEO guy will agree - this is the best SEO practice and framework if you want to do with it BH at half the cost. It's not click a button and have your monitor crap money into your face. It's time and work, but you do it so that a single person can compete with a major "Brand" company, like Vivid or something else with just as equally powerful brand power.
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    Do You want to Push and Button and have money shoot out of the other end?

    Seriously, if this is your mind set you need to change it.

    I just read a thread that had my brain explode in my skull. I can't even contain the confusion, partial anger, and partial humor in the idea that people think BH SEO = Super Fast, Super Easy money.

    If you clicked on this thread thinking that you were going to get rich quick, you won't. What I will do however is teach you how to effectively use BH SEO.

    BH SEO should not be a way to develop a bunch of links quickly for a single target. This is wrong, and a flawed train of thought.

    If you want to be successful with BH SEO you have to understand how it is best used. It's best used in a pyramid scheme.

    How many times have you heard the word "Authority" being pushed around when it comes to SEO. Do you know what "Authority" they are talking about? I have just realized that the biggest misconception in internet marketing and BH tools for BH SEO is that people seem to think that they should use BH Marketing to avoid writing articles, and developing a solid link foundation. They think that that is "Authority." It's not.

    Authority is have one big site that talks about one topic and has millions of links underneath it that discuss various subtopics.

    For instance, if your main money page was about cars, you would want to develop hugely strong "Roots" to your link tree. The best way to do this would be to create little link wheels of sub sites that cover the various aspects of cars. If I was to do it, and I wanted to develop enough "Authority" to rank for a completive term, all while using BH SEO, here is what I would do. I would strongly suggest that if you think BH SEO = Fast Money you read and reread this.

    Cars is our site. We sell cars, talk about cars, do whatever, somehow we monetize on the word cars.

    Underneath that I would start to build strong roots. I would have .info autoblogs (WPRobot or the like) or very strong article/web2.0 link wheels (SEnuke) for every make and model of car that you can buy. All of these would link up to the main cars page. Chevy blogs, Ford blogs, Nissan Blogs, Honda blogs, get it?

    under those I would niche niche web 2.0 sites created with something like SEnuke. What is a niche for SEO Authority? From Chevy we are going to work down to camaro, corvette, lumina, etc. For Honda, civic, accord, S2000 etc.

    Under those I would have more niche sites. Third Generation camaro modifications. 6th generation Civic dashboard modifications. Anything super niche that I can scrape super easily from articles or other sites, rewrite, spin, and mass submit.

    All of these tiers would then link up to cars, some way. All of the second tier would link directly. Some of the third tier would link directly, some indirectly. This is where it's time to get random and I mean RANDOM.

    R-A-N-D-O-M

    You want authority, so it has to look like authority. Authority looks like chaos that collects. Have sites cross link, have sites that link up, link down, link sideways, link to articles, link to wikipedia pages that have links to your money site (can be done), it's chaos on the third level. Just pure link hell. Even some reciprocation for the links because that occurs out there in the real world of authority.

    Okay, so we BH SEO'd up some link wheels, we have some BH Auto Blogs scraping a stealing content, now what?

    Well your tree now has good authority roots - time to give it some fertilizer. NOW you get darker and Xrumer, Scrapebox, spam the living fuck out of everything on the third tier hardcore. I mean you really get in there and rip it up. You should have so many 3rd tier subniche's that even generating a million links a day won't seem to be enough.

    You beat the shit out of those roots with fertilizer and watch your second tier open up. What your autoblogs rank and earn, watch your link wheels rank and get your main money maker some traffic. Then you start shooting a little link spam at the second tier. Not a whole lot but enough to make it look semi viral. You do this with blog comment spam, Xrumer profile links, whatever your poison is, that's what you do. All the while you are still blasting the shit out of your third tier roots.

    If you think of it like a pyramid, the tip, your money page has the power. It's the light that casts down on so many topics that you are omnipresent when it comes to cars. Everyone (all the things you made below you) who likes cars knows who you are, loves you, links to you, you are the shit.

    That's authority, that's how you build authority, that's why you use Xrumer and other blackhat SEO techniques. When it's all said and done, you will have emulated natural growth in a fraction of the time with next to no HARD work and not a lot of money.

    If you think BH SEO = fast cash, it can but it will always be fast ending cash 3/4's of the time unless you have something really niche or some clever angle on something. Some trick that nobody else has. People have that, but it's rare and they aren't going to share it with you because you will probably fuck it up for them.

    BH SEO Does Not Mean EASY FAST MONEY​


    It can happen, but it normally ends in failure long term. It's easy to make a site rank with Xrumer or SENuke or Scrapebox, but what happens when someone who really knows how to make BH SEO work comes into the picture? Ever have a competitor that you know is using things like Xrumer, but no matter how many blasts you do, you just can't catch up and pass him?

    That's because he put in the work from above and you didn't. You want to have the biggest site for Big Tit MILF's? If you want to make money in BH SEO?

    just remember...

    It's still SEO!
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  2. mudbutt

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  3. ajaxism

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    This info has really been useful. I've been wondering what authority was for a while haha
     
  4. rody00

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    This is right on the money!
     
  5. ajaxism

    ajaxism Newbie

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    Are all these blogs/sites in the Pyramid scheme on the same IP?
     
  6. G0D0VERY0U

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    Some are, some aren't. I don't really care about that because all of the web 2.0 sites and all of the ezinearticles could all be on the same IP and they aren't hampered. I understand the importance to IP diversity but, let's face it, we've got links coming from all over the planet by the time you get to the bottom...

    Any .info autoblogs I run are typically spread across 4 IP's. Of course, I don't run my autoblogs to constantly be pumping into my money pages. They typically have one link in the footer of the blog, or in the blogroll. That way, as the domain increases in PR from links coming up the bottom, that PR push leaks into the money page.

    I will spin little 200 word articles and make posts every now and then, but the major of the linking is to other sites. I will often times find 100 - 200 urls on the topic from "Trusted" sites like wikipedia, cnn, google news, etc. and link out to those as well. It make everything appear more natural and less spammy. Rarely, I will drop affiliate offers into the blogs to make some extra "Side" money but that's not the principle focus of them. Their purpose is to be a "Legit" link in my money pages root system.

    Web 2.0's are obviously on their respective IP's. AD's the same....

    I'm honestly not too concerned about the IP diversity. It will be very unique when all is said and done. The auto blog's purpose is to be a constantly updated, fresh and active platform of "User's". It's the first level of "Niche" topics and the idea is too appear fresh and niche'y in terms of new information and interaction.

    This is opposed to a WEB 2.0's or Article's somewhat "Static" level of activity.

    It make a lot more sense for a ton of links to be poured into a blog because it constantly has new topics and features. In addition, since the autoblog is constantly running, you get new deep URL's to backlink into. An article doesn't change, it just looks like spammy SEO over time if overdone which is easy to do if you are spamming as dramatically as you should be to leak PR.

    The autoblog is where you send a lot of powerful link juice "En' Mass" because it's a platform more fit for such an action to appear more natural. It's content is fresh, so new fresh links always pouring in... it's easily to backlink 50k profiles a week when you have 200 URL's to spread it out on. The same level of spamming would really stand out on an article's single URL far more than the blog's many URL's. Now, I have no direct evidence to suggest that driving that much link juice to an article would hurt anything, but I also don't shoot myself in the forehead to see if it's tickles.

    Hopefully that gives you a more clear idea of the roll and function of the Autoblog as a backlinking asset.
     
  7. Mike Hunt

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    Web 2.0's all have their own IP each or per group? What is AD's?
     
  8. G0D0VERY0U

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    AD's = Article Directories.

    All articles directories and WEB 2.0's will have the IP's assigned by their hosts.

    For instance, Bravejournal's IP will be different from Blogspot's IP, which will also be different from Ezine Articles IP - so on and so forth.

    IP Diversity is taken care of by the nature of trying to develop authority. It's just going to happen.
     
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    My bosses duaghter is 3. I would go to jail = no $$$
     
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    lol!!
     
  11. G0D0VERY0U

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    I suppose the test would be to see how long term that works....

    IE - What happens when the boss daughter finds out your cheating, divorces your ass, leaves you nothing because the boss obviously being the boss knew the possible game and had you sign a prenep. The problem is now your forty, out of shape, bald, and guess what? None of that money you once had and could rely on to impress the girls. Let's not forget the couple kids that you have to pay support for, and no job prospects because the business world is a small place and everyone knew you got shit canned.

    This is an approach that doesn't rely on just a few forms of possible spamming to yield results. Because it's somewhat well thought it, it can take several devastating blows over the course of time and still rank well.

    Imagine if all your did was harvest and spam forum links. All of a sudden, every forum reformat to a "NO OUTLINK" format (not no_follow, just pure no out of domain links at all) in the board portions. Overnight, every link would drop out and eventually de-index.

    This format gives you a base and the stability to actively spam many formats to reasonable capacity, and when there are dramatic changes to any one or three, or however many formats at once - all of your money doesn't go with it.

    This happened to a lot of guys who did article marketing to the max on Ezine and Ezine pulled all of their articles with links in body. This also happened in a similar situation when some of those guys decided to "Diversify" and include squidoo and hubpages along with their ezine submissions.

    This COULD happen again to A LOT of guys if Google further refines their duplicate content filter and deindexes every blog comment, UAW submission, Blog syndication - whatever spun content is made out of, overnight.

    We have already witnessed an up regulation in Google's content filter - for instance, a lot of link wheels no longer work, and even when the link wheels aren't linked - still won't index as successfully as they once did.

    This is a method of insulation against further potential damage while still ensuring short and long term success, with what would hopefully amount to long term dependable success no matter what came along because of the sheer number of individual dissimilarities among the pool that developed over the course of time.

    IE: Macro VS Micro

    -OR-

    If you method marries the boss daughter: my method marries the model who stays in shape year round, has the exotic car collection, can retire at 40 with life long benefits continuing to come in years after the work has stopped.

    We both can be successful. There's a better chance that one day yours will figure your ass out and kick you to the curb - at the worst time no less. It may not happen. But what if.....

    This is how you can BH a WH structure safely.
     
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  12. ajaxism

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    I'm my own boss
     
  13. G0D0VERY0U

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    DianeFrenzel,

    Your argument is that there is no long term stability in my methodology, but your example is adsense, a Google controlled profit stream. Once again a micro vs macro comparison. What about a profit stream that doesn't depend on an affiliate, ppc, cpa, or gateway profit stream at all? My stance is one from the larger picture of monetization independent of a third party.

    Example: I own a pawn shop. Once all of these "Send us your gold" and Gold party outfits begin to pop up about two years ago, our fight was to combat them not only locally but to establish our own presence on the internet as a mail-to provider for gold recycling. Our monetization doesn't depend on a third party what so ever. We deal with the public and sell refined material as an open commodity.

    When people Google the term "Cash for Gold" guess where they land? Cash for gold's website. Now while I'm not going to give out an exact list of keywords and expose my brick and mortar business to senseless risks for this purpose - needless to say this is a clear demonstration of not talking out of my ass.

    I can plainly understand if you are just so deadlocked mentally against my mindset or the "Accepted" structure of what SEO is, and want to defeat the evil empire that is WH SEO, hence forth "Sticking it to the man" - I get that. However, there are benefits to it irregardless of personal emotions.

    When you have a brick and mortar business with employee's paychecks to write yet don't feel like hiring out a SEO company that will do sloppy work for an over inflated price - this is the most sound method to build stability while still cheating.

    If you still are unable to see my point of view, and I am unable to see yours: the best resolution is to agree to disagree.

    AND for the record, my wife doesn't smoke ;)
     
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    I read the start of your article and then got bored. Not because your boring.... but .... er.....ummm .......well....... it was starting to sound a lot like one of Eli's post from about 2 years ago.

    Yes I want to press a button and have money shoot out a strippers ass (I think it would be much nicer out her ass than mine) but the world doesn't work that way.

    Anyway anyone interested in learning some real money making SEO, go read Eli's 'SEO Empire Part 1'.

    -aReJay
     
  15. G0D0VERY0U

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    LOL, I've never read Eli's post myself - so that's something I'm going to have to go read myself as well.
     
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  17. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    Well this thread seems to have got sidetracked a couple times. LOL. For the members posting negative replies, this is an explaination of some SEO principles not a money making method. The idea is to use some of these SEO concepts for any website based methods you're using.

    This thread is just discussing some of the principles that are also dicussed in the thread SEO - Understanding the Simulation. If you learn these concepts then it can help you improve whatever SEO backlinking campaigns your working on. Everyone always talks about how much better authority sites are to get backlinks from. Well it's even better if you can create you're own authority sites because then you're in control of what's being targeted.

    This isn't the type of 'quick riches' method like CL, viral FB fan pages, ewhoring, or the like. This is the type of thing you build for a long term project. If you think it's too much work, then for you it probably is. If you're just looking for a quick and easy method then there are a lot of other things you can find searching around bhw.

    Most of the big name marketers don't go into detail about this part of SEO, because it's not a quick process and it doesn't sell well. But if you look at the network of sites they've created for themselves you'll see that just about everyone of the gurus have done exactly what the OP is talking about.
     
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  18. G0D0VERY0U

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    Thank you for understanding and explaining in a way that I couldn't.

    Great link BTW
     
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    thanks
     
  20. supamanjon

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    I love reading your posts. And everything here makes sense.