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Do I need to know Coding to become Successful in IM,if yes which languages?

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by cybermeid, Dec 11, 2010.

  1. cybermeid

    cybermeid Regular Member

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    There is one thing which I realized after I started doing IM, ie it doesn't matter if you know how to create websites or know bit of coding which decides if you make money online, its how you put the main Idea out there,the concept of doing certain things like SEO, putting certain things together is what matters.But still I have a doubt as I am looking out for a job in a field of programming,I want to know which language skills or how much of coding knowledge will help you in making money online.I have seen certain colleagues of mine working in software companies knowing PHP,MySQL,C++ and all have no idea on how to make money online.For them even some of the concepts of making money online like Affiliate marketing is not even heard.
    But still as I put forward a simple question, will little bit of coding knowledge help you in making more money online and how much will that help in my future 10 years of my life after I quit my job and do full time IM.
     
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  2. Monrox

    Monrox Power Member

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    It's a nice to have but not a prerequisite. There are nice tools out there and it'd be a waste of time to recreate them. But customizing them can be very powerful. Like for example I just read that some software can't handle lists with more than one million entries at once. Should you need more you can keep reloading it manually or you could just load your code editor and make something that will automate the said software so you can use it unattended for weeks.

    Or the ready made profile creators, they are great. But some sites already include hidden fields which when filled is a hint that the profile is not real. So you can again scribble something to go after the poster and clear those hidden fields. Or change the whole routine with a debugger if you're a bit more advanced.

    So until you're under 1k a day in earnings you can rest assured that lack of coding skills will not be a big problem. You have to know what works before having the need to tweak it.
     
  3. JesusBack

    JesusBack Executive VIP Premium Member

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    probably not, but I don't think I could have made it this far without knowing php.
     
  4. likeskoolaid

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    it's not necessary but since this is the internet, you'll always have to be dependent on other people until you can do it yourself.

    selling things might be challenging enough on it's own but building the store was much harder.
     
  5. goodseoman

    goodseoman Power Member Premium Member

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    Coding is related to logical abilities
    IM is related to social abilities.
    You should choose the best fit in you.
    IMO most successful IMers dont know much about coding, but they know how to make coder working for them.
    Your choice anyway.
    Good luck,
     
  6. dannyhw

    dannyhw Senior Member

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    It helps a whole lot. All the money I've made with affiliate programs was made because I was able to get a serious advantage over the competition because of my software engineering skills. Well, I should say it's that combined with creativity and ability to see and really analyze opportunities.

    If you've got the knack for seeing and analyzing opportunities you can find yourself a really good software engineer to work with. The thing about that is being able to write code and understand software concepts makes you able to judge the work of others very well. LOTS AND LOTS of people in the web business end up with incompetent developers because they just can't understand what each other is trying to do. So IMO the best background to have in this business is computer science.

    Also full time affiliate marketing is hard. I mean it's really hard and the money is almost never steady. I wouldn't count on making it your career in 10 years. Every market is saturated and the model itself becomes less and less attractive for all involved all the time. If you feel like you can really do IM, make your long term goal successful consulting. Get a good technical background with how everything works and also arm yourself with the business knowledge you need to survive out in the world.
     
  7. Monrox

    Monrox Power Member

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    Nah, the best background to have is psychology then comes computer science :D
    But if you can't make money in IM without programming skills you won't be able to do it with said skills. And since it is easier (less time consuming) to test if you have what it takes to make money online it will be a waste of time to learn some programming language first and then find out the whole business is not for you. You'll end up working for marketers for peanuts instead of vice versa.

    If I can't manually make something earn 0.0001c I couldn't scale it up no matter how crazy my automating skills are. If the OP is really planning to spend 10 years doing IM, yes, creating his own software (outsourcing the mundane bits of course) will add several zeroes to his income. But I wouldn't worry about that just yet.
     
  8. extremephp

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    IM is not limited to SEO, making Bots, making programs to peep into emails, and do this , do that and all!!

    You feel so, because you are in BHW, where most of the people need it, because they are already into a Website, and way spamming it!

    Look into what you can do, rather than spending a life to earn something doing IM, which is not required at all! I dont say that you shouldnt study programming! The more you know, the better it is!


    No one need to study programming to do Ebay, Amazon etc! So does many other things!! There are unlimited streams for IM, just fetch the right one and go forward!

    ~ExP~
     
  9. blackma

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    No the money in Internet Marketing is in the marketing i.e. having your links at the right place, at the right time AND in front of the right people.

    It is sometimes handy to know how to do some simple scripts for automation like iMacros.
    But...
    The money is not in the programming. Not if you want to compete with educated people in third world countries WILL work for $2/hour.

    blackma :)
     
  10. dannyhw

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    They do code cheap in those third world countries, but there is a lot more to developing than programming. Even within the USA you can hire a programmer for $15 or $20 an hour but if you don't have a good systems analyst you're screwed from the start.

    But the important thing I always tell people is that while you're experimenting and learning you'll probably start with affiliate programs in markets where there are droves of foreigners struggling to make small commissions. It's not like the old days and it's only getting worse but that does not mean you can't have a career in IM.

    If you learn your stuff and go into consulting you're going to be spending other peoples money. You'll also be promoting or developing their sites which carry their authority as a foundation. That and you can charge ridiculous retainer fees if you're actually good.
     
  11. cybermeid

    cybermeid Regular Member

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    For a guy who dont have money to pay someone to create basic stuffs like website and IM tools creation,dont you think coding knowledge and some basic stuffs like CSS,PHP etc definitely helps
     
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    Its great if you at least know the basic html, that way you would be able to do some work and save your money
     
  13. webmast

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    Internet Marketing is about being creative. But having some good ideas is nothing if you can't implement them, right? So you won't make money if you don't have great ideas and if you can't automate them. Being able to code your own tools is certainly a big advantage.
     
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    I don't think that Internet Marketing require any coding! I am SEO with 12 years of experience and during the years I have learn a lot about PHP, ASP, JSP and HTML, however, it have never been the major part of my success as internet marketer.
     
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    I think there is no correlation between coding and IM. I have see many well coded site is not selling well and i have also see, some poor looking site but it has nice sells

    forme IM is another different skills
     
  16. tacopalypse

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    html - to build a basic website
    javascript - if you want to make your site look pretty
    php - if you want your pages to be dynamically generated
    mysql - if you need to store anything into a database
    c# - if you want to make bots

    those are the basic ones and they're fairly simple to learn for beginners.

    it is true that you don't HAVE to know any coding to make it in IM, but it sure as hell helps a lot :D
     
  17. simmo

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    I'd say it isn't essential but you can save a hell of a lot of time and effort if you can code. Whatever your niche is I'm sure you have a few boring repetitive tasks you do each day so it's good to be able to write a program to do that for you.
     
  18. oxonbeef

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    Best language to know in IM is "BULLSHIT".
    Being able to decipher it, and being able to speak it fluently.
    Once you got that cracked you can't go wrong.
     
  19. -Jericho-

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    The best skill is being able to sell via words so English would be a good language to know well and how to use it to get people to buy stuff.

    Now for coding languages, if you are going to setup sites than HTML and CSS are good to know. Both are easy to learn. If you're going to use wordpress than knowing a little PHP is helpful but not necessary.

    IM comes down to creative marketing more than anything else. You need to find ways to get in front of people and capture their attention. You can do this so many different ways online. Whether it be via social marketing or SEO or paid advertising. Skies the limit.
     
  20. Mr Ex

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    The benefit of knowing how to code is, you dont have to depend on someone else or spend money to automate a task for you. Instead of waiting for months or years for someone to finally release a software that you desperately need, you can just go ahead and code it by yourself and save a lot of time and money in the long run.

    I am not precisely talking about coding the next xrumer or scrapebox. I am talking about custom bots and little softwares that will help you automate certain tasks and save you time so you can spend the extra time for something else. There are members on here who do this on a daily basis.

    Is it a must? I dont think so. But it would be really helpful. My advice to you would be to just dabble with c at least. Get c programming for dummies. It will give you the basic understanding to how programs work and the logic behind it. Even reading and practicing 30 minutes a day will help you a lot, especially if you are considering a 10 year im career. Think about it. Where would you be in 2 years if you could practice 30 minutes a day? It's never late for anything and learning has no age no matter how old you are. What matters is being persistive and knowing what you want.

    Knowledge is power and the more you know, the more leverage you will have against your competitors. Develop your skills, read a lot, practice and take action. No matter what, you will be successful as long as you have enough will power :)
     
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