Do employers even ask programmers for a degree nowadays?

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I'm assuming that the most important thing is experience, right?

Then how would a self-taught programmer go about attaining 1-3 years of experience so he can land a job?
Does the time you spend working on your own projects factor into the years of experience?
 
Without a doubt your own projects count. As long as you have been working on them the equivalent of a full or part time job, and achieved good results, then you should be proud to share your stack, or github account. They are only assets to your cv, as well as other projects. If they are really black hat, you may want to "rephrase" a few things :D But they still deserve a place.
 
In my observation, in the Information Technology field, things have got so wide and deep ( as compared to the 90's), that employers have now realized that college or university degrees in Information Technology do not and cannot impart knowledge about all the entire gamut of usages in the current Information Technology age. So, employers are looking for very specific skills for specific roles and hence even short term (few months) certifications hold value if a person also has the adequate required skills.
And when it comes to the Blockchain / DeFi world, see https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/master-degree-on-blockchain-crypto-field.1366243/#post-14795815
Ofcourse, after taking observations from a wide range of people, then you would be able to know what is best for you.
 
Without a doubt your own projects count. As long as you have been working on them the equivalent of a full or part time job, and achieved good results, then you should be proud to share your stack, or github account. They are only assets to your cv, as well as other projects. If they are really black hat, you may want to "rephrase" a few things :D But they still deserve a place.
Right, I was thinking of working on some of my own projects for the next 2-4 years while learning on the go, by the end of that timeframe I'll hopefully be ready for a job and I could use the projects I created as my 'experience'.
In my observation, in the Information Technology field, things have got so wide and deep ( as compared to the 90's), that employers have now realized that college or university degrees in Information Technology do not and cannot impart knowledge about all the entire gamut of usages in the current Information Technology age. So, employers are looking for very specific skills for specific roles and hence even short term (few months) certifications hold value if a person also has the adequate required skills.
And when it comes to the Blockchain / DeFi world, see Master Degree on Blockchain/Crypto Field
Ofcourse, after taking observations from a wide range of people, then you would be able to know what is best for you.
Agreed. I believe the best way to do things is to have good fundamental knowledge in everything while specializing in one specific area to stand out to employers.
 
Clients ask to see my portfolio, not my degree, experience and showing what you are capable of in a real-world project goes much further than a sheet of paper, most of the time.
 
Yep - not entirely sure that degrees make much of a difference these days. They prove you've stuck at something for a long period of time which is good. But apart from that, I'd say you need your own experiences/ projects to differentiate yourself from others. So really if you're a self taught programmer it's likely if you pitch yourself right, you could land yourself some experience. I'd just say it's about knowing how to pitch it.

The fact you've taught yourself could very easily be one USP. If a company's interviewing grads who've been taught what you've learned & yet you've taught yourself it, it says a lot about your character. No doubt they'll hold it in high regard! Not to mention the fact that it shows you're willing to just go for it without guidance or having your hand held. It's also shows self-resilience & great problem solving skills too! If I were a hiring manager, all this would scream get-up-and-go - in other words, be a major green light.

Really look at it, and by teaching yourself you've got a lot that all your graduate competition won't have. My advice would be to pitch yourself as a wildcard and hit up every company you can. If they don't respond to emails, give them a ring. If they don't pick up, show up in person. Show that you're eager & to be honest, I think you'll find it a walk in the park.

Best of luck buddy :)
 
Yep - not entirely sure that degrees make much of a difference these days. They prove you've stuck at something for a long period of time which is good. But apart from that, I'd say you need your own experiences/ projects to differentiate yourself from others. So really if you're a self taught programmer it's likely if you pitch yourself right, you could land yourself some experience. I'd just say it's about knowing how to pitch it.

The fact you've taught yourself could very easily be one USP. If a company's interviewing grads who've been taught what you've learned & yet you've taught yourself it, it says a lot about your character. No doubt they'll hold it in high regard! Not to mention the fact that it shows you're willing to just go for it without guidance or having your hand held. It's also shows self-resilience & great problem solving skills too! If I were a hiring manager, all this would scream get-up-and-go - in other words, be a major green light.

Really look at it, and by teaching yourself you've got a lot that all your graduate competition won't have. My advice would be to pitch yourself as a wildcard and hit up every company you can. If they don't respond to emails, give them a ring. If they don't pick up, show up in person. Show that you're eager & to be honest, I think you'll find it a walk in the park.

Best of luck buddy :)
Thanks for this :)
 
Thanks for this :)
No worries buddy - job interviews are never easy. Know from experience.

The trick is to go in knowing your worth. Remember, the employer is looking for you, especially if they've put an advert out + spent cash on recruitment etc. So really, you have the upper hand :o

Like I say, best of luck buddy - hope all goes well!
 
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