[Discussion] Google Ads Threshold Suspension ?

It seems problem of suspension is still the same, and google update is still on going ?

Share your thoughts please.

Yesterday, I tried number of accounts even with manual payment and transferred amount upfront, but still accounts are not getting live.

So, even if try to use google ads as a genuine new advertiser, google is not letting that happen as well, of course this can't stay like this. I don't think if things stay like this, how new advertisers would be able to use google ads ever?

I think next step is to make accounts with ID verification. So make sure you have ID documents to create accounts so that you can appeal if account get suspended.

I also try 1 account and still get problem of suspension i

I think Google has been collecting massive data about threshold account abusers for years (deliberatly allowing certain amount of abuse for a while) and now they probably trained a "new" machine learning algorithm based on all the data that can predict whether you're a legitimate advertiser or an abuser before even you create your campaign.

I see a lot of members here getting suspended with legitimate setups as well and they are unlikely to be false positives. Google probably detected previous abuse history of them using hundreds of fingerprintig data points they collected.

If it was a bug or issue, we'd see it in news all over the internet but only threshold abusers are affected by it as far as I know.

Just my hypothesis.

01010010 said:

I think Google has been collecting massive data about threshold account abusers for years (deliberatly allowing certain amount of abuse for a while) and now they probably trained a "new" machine learning algorithm based on all the data that can predict whether you're a legitimate advertiser or an abuser before even you create your campaign.

I see a lot of members here getting suspended with legitimate setups as well and they are unlikely to be false positives. Google probably detected previous abuse history of them using hundreds of fingerprintig data points they collected.

If it was a bug or issue, we'd see it in news all over the internet but only threshold abusers are affected by it as far as I know.

Just my hypothesis.

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That's not true. Just to give you a fair idea.

I had one old domain registered with me, with a proper legit company and also gsuite (all authentic)

I used RDP to setup an account with using all legit details (company info) and manual payment setup with valid cc.

Still account is getting suspended. Now that's strange !!

Maybe its the RDP then, I'm guessing you used AWS EC2 ?

mureg1990 said:

That's not true. Just to give you a fair idea.

I had one old domain registered with me, with a proper legit company and also gsuite (all authentic)

I used RDP to setup an account with using all legit details (company info) and manual payment setup with valid cc.

Still account is getting suspended. Now that's strange !!

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mureg1990 said:

That's not true. Just to give you a fair idea.

I had one old domain registered with me, with a proper legit company and also gsuite (all authentic)

I used RDP to setup an account with using all legit details (company info) and manual payment setup with valid cc.

Still account is getting suspended. Now that's strange !!

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RDPs have been abused to death and usually share the same canvas fingerprints for almost all instances due to the nature of EC2 virtualization technology. They used to work fine till now but it seems like now they don't and google started suspending accounts associated with RDP IPs and its fingerprints.

There are lots of factors that google uses to detect abuse. We don't know them. RDPs are so easy to detect. Tools like multilogin offer fingerprint spoofing but in essence, they just share the same canvas fingerprints and mask others like webgl, sound etc which is easily detectable. A simple prediction program with sample data of legitimate browser profiles can detect if you are masking your fingerprints, using RDP, proxy etc.

Google seems to be clamping down on threshold abusers.

Everybody's talking about groundless things.

01010010 said:

RDPs have been abused to death and usually share the same canvas fingerprints for almost all instances due to the nature of EC2 virtualization technology. They used to work fine till now but it seems like now they don't and google started suspending accounts associated with RDP IPs and its fingerprints.

There are lots of factors that google uses to detect abuse. We don't know them. RDPs are so easy to detect. Tools like multilogin offer fingerprint spoofing but in essence, they just share the same canvas fingerprints and mask others like webgl, sound etc which is easily detectable. A simple prediction program with sample data of legitimate browser profiles can detect if you are masking your fingerprints, using RDP, proxy etc.

Google seems to be clamping down on threshold abusers.

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But I believe you can still beat this, if you use browser extensions like fingerprint defender, but that also seems to be not working now. And RDP can't only be used for thresholds, even real people use RDPs, so blocking any account created via RDP might not be a good thing. Though it's Big G, can't say anything.

maisondeparis said:

Everybody's talking about groundless things.

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Would love to hear your thoughts as well buddy

mureg1990 said:

But I believe you can still beat this, if you use browser extensions like fingerprint defender, but that also seems to be not working now. And RDP can't only be used for thresholds, even real people use RDPs, so blocking any account created via RDP might not be a good thing. Though it's Big G, can't say anything.

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Yeah they can't just blacklist data center IPs or RDPs. Business VPNs have data center IPs. Some people just use EC2 for regular use. Many organizations nowadays use something like Amazon Workspace (like RDP) for their employees where they work online. They all share the IPs from the same pool.

So yeah no blocking RDPs but these people have lots of regular activity, cookies and so much browser history.

Threshold users just create VPS, connect through RDP, install browser, make Google ads account and run campaign. That's not a typical user behaviour.

I think all Google ads accounts have a trust score internally like Facebook ads does. If you fall below the their minimum threshold, you would get suspended. The decision to suspend an account is usually based on a multitude of factors by automated ML algorithms.

For example, their anti-abuse system might give score to each account like this:

Using RDP (0.10), using abused VCC(0.30), abused IP(0.35), no user activity(0.10), old website (-0.10) = 0.75/1 (75% likely to be an abusive user)

This is how most fraud detection and anti-abuse algorithms work. We need to pay more attention to details now. As long as threshold is available for new accounts, there would be a way to leverage it. But yeah, it gets harder day by day.

01010010 said:

Yeah they can't just blacklist data center IPs or RDPs. Business VPNs have data center IPs. Some people just use EC2 for regular use. Many organizations nowadays use something like Amazon Workspace (like RDP) for their employees where they work online. They all share the IPs from the same pool.

So yeah no blocking RDPs but these people have lots of regular activity, cookies and so much browser history.

Threshold users just create VPS, connect through RDP, install browser, make Google ads account and run campaign. That's not a typical user behaviour.

I think all Google ads accounts have a trust score internally like Facebook ads does. If you fall below the their minimum threshold, you would get suspended. The decision to suspend an account is usually based on a multitude of factors by automated ML algorithms.

For example, their anti-abuse system might give score to each account like this:

Using RDP (0.10), using abused VCC(0.30), abused IP(0.35), no user activity(0.10), old website (-0.10) = 0.75/1 (75% likely to be an abusive user)

This is how most fraud detection and anti-abuse algorithms work. We need to pay more attention to details now. As long as threshold is available for new accounts, there would be a way to leverage it. But yeah, it gets harder day by day.

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Nice share man, very useful information shared on all your posts, and 100% totally agree with you

I have a simple question that i have in mind for last two days, maybe you may know

As you may know the success rate of creating accounts went down to 30%-40% for people that had 100%
Even those account got suspended after creating a second campaign instantly

Have you done a case study abt this issue, i suspect in the second campaign, since it's instant suspend, they test if the payment method you used is still valid or if the proxy "clean" and match the payment settings.

Do you have any ideas abt what it can be?

Everybody know when this issue over?

mrnixdorf said:

Nice share man, very useful information shared on all your posts, and 100% totally agree with you

I have a simple question that i have in mind for last two days, maybe you may know

As you may know the success rate of creating accounts went down to 30%-40% for people that had 100%
Even those account got suspended after creating a second campaign instantly

Have you done a case study abt this issue, i suspect in the second campaign, since it's instant suspend, they test if the payment method you used is still valid or if the proxy "clean" and match the payment settings.

Do you have any ideas abt what it can be?

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I don't know if it's an apt reply for you, but we have couple of accounts with spending in millions, and on those what we are observing is Google is charging (or trying to charge cards) randomly. I mean even before end of month and even before threshold is reached. So your observation does make sense. These days Google is charging payment methods in between randomly.

That being said, if that's the only issue, ideally account shouldn't get suspended but rather shall show you transaction declined. But for thresholds it's suspension I beleive is their verdict.

mrnixdorf said:

Nice share man, very useful information shared on all your posts, and 100% totally agree with you

I have a simple question that i have in mind for last two days, maybe you may know

As you may know the success rate of creating accounts went down to 30%-40% for people that had 100%
Even those account got suspended after creating a second campaign instantly

Have you done a case study abt this issue, i suspect in the second campaign, since it's instant suspend, they test if the payment method you used is still valid or if the proxy "clean" and match the payment settings.

Do you have any ideas abt what it can be?

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I believe Google periodically validates payment method, domain, website content/status, user behavior pattern, IPs etc to enforce their policies and keep the ad ecosystem safe and secure from bad actors.

I don't have much information about this new update but yeah i'll test new things and try to find what actually changed.

Today I did a small test with 8 new google ads accounts.

2 new gmails from my local IP,
2 new gmails from my "clean" US 4G proxies
2 new gmails on normal chrome profiles on local machine
1 old gmail from my local chrome profile(6 days old)
1 old gmail from a EC2 instance(~20 days old)

My IPs are really clean so no gmail required phone verification.

I created google ads using the same VCC provider for all of them. I created similar dummy campaigns and waited for a while.

Results? all of them got suspended within a minute except the account that I used locally in chrome profile as a "normal" user. The gmail I created 6 days ago wasn't created for ads. I was using it for personal stuff like email, fb etc. This account instantly got live and spent all daily budget. I added a CPA campaign after a few hours and it got suspended. I know i added it too early. I wanted to see what happens. Now i'll delay it and test with more accounts.

This was a very small test but I believe that regular account activity on your google account can help a lot with approval rate. All accounts I tested either had zero activity or very inconsistent activity. The 6 days old account had daily activity for 6 days and i think that's what sets it apart from rest of the accounts.

There is no problem anymore, use quality vcc + proxies and it works.

I use german vcc + proxie and everything works fine, maybe 5-10% suspesion rate.

Thank you for sharing this information

mureg1990 said:

I don't know if it's an apt reply for you, but we have couple of accounts with spending in millions, and on those what we are observing is Google is charging (or trying to charge cards) randomly. I mean even before end of month and even before threshold is reached. So your observation does make sense. These days Google is charging payment methods in between randomly.

That being said, if that's the only issue, ideally account shouldn't get suspended but rather shall show you transaction declined. But for thresholds it's suspension I beleive is their verdict.

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Yeah google sometimes randomly charges us before even hitting our threshold amount. I think they do it to validate payment method because people create hundreds of thousands of threshold accounts with $2 loaded VCCs and google could never charge them. I think it could be the result of payment method abuse from threshold users.

Anyway, i recommend you to warm up your gmail account for a week before creating ad account.

01010010 said:

Yeah google sometimes randomly charges us before even hitting our threshold amount. I think they do it to validate payment method because people create hundreds of thousands of threshold accounts with $2 loaded VCCs and google could never charge them. I think it could be the result of payment method abuse from threshold users.

Anyway, i recommend you to warm up your gmail account for a week before creating ad account.

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I've read the tests you made, also for that account you made and start spending, after creating the BH second campaign, you've got an instant suspend? or it was approved then suspended? and what was your threshold? 50 75 300 350 500?

Gmail warming is a mandatory since the beginning of creating ad accts, it doesn't matter if your acct is fresh or 10 years old, they check some stuff on that Gmails before you make ads on.

mrnixdorf said:

I've read the tests you made, also for that account you made and start spending, after creating the BH second campaign, you've got an instant suspend? or it was approved then suspended? and what was your threshold? 50 75 300 350 500?

Gmail warming is a mandatory since the beginning of creating ad accts, it doesn't matter if your acct is fresh or 10 years old, they check some stuff on that Gmails before you make ads on.

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Instant suspension. Full threshold on most accounts. $50 on a couple of them.