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Disadvantage in SEs when interlinking all own websites?

Discussion in 'Link Building' started by SebastianJu, Apr 11, 2010.

  1. SebastianJu

    SebastianJu Power Member

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    Hello,

    i dont know what would follow when you interlink every of your own websites with every other of your own websites so maybe someone can tell me?

    For example if you have 100 websites. And you link from each website to each of the 99 other websites. That probably wouldnt bring much in serps especially when all websites are at the same host/ip but would it be bad in the eyes of searchengines?

    Edit: How about doing this with 5-10 websites?
     
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  2. SebastianJu

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    Should I have post this into Black Hat Seo?
     
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    blackhataffiliate Senior Member

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    I interlink all my like sites (ie credit sites with credit related sites) together and I think it does help with serps. I have all my sites registered privately and all are hosted on different hosting accounts with different hosting companies so that there is IP diversity. I currently have 2 vps and 7 shared hosting accounts to make sure that all my sites do not appear under the same IP.
     
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  4. aftershock2020

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    I do the same thing, but I do it for securing my sites never go offline due to anything, as well as extra protection. All of my sites rotate servers and ips within my network of hosting accounts, to prevent easy hack access and a true 100% uptime. There is a very slim to none chance that a large set of remote servers are going to all crash at one time.

    As for the IP issue, it still doesn't matter in your ranking or interlinking. Proof is in the fact that no website on a public reseller or vps account would ever rank if that were true. How many sites that are 100% non-related in content/market hosted on say bluehosts or hostgator, for example. If Ip addresses played a legit role in link building, then none of those sites would ever rank simply by association of their hosting account's ip addresses if on shared ips. The SE can't compare rank on that element due to that fact. There is never a worry of that being an issue as long as there are shared hosting accounts and ip addresses on the web.

    Ip addresses having an effect on your ranking is a myth. Not to say you are arguing the point by your post at all, just letting anyone that reads this clearly know that IP addresses aren't a concern in this matter, unlike that of a major security issue...if your site's dns can be found, your server can be located and hacked.

    Privacy protecting your domains is key in that matter, however not the topic of this particular thread.
     
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    No need, as it is whitehat link building technique. There is nothing blackhat about it, unless you manipulate it somehow, for linking to junk, spam, scam, etc.
     
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    I have always figured that if G picked up on the fact that all your sites are hosted on a single or couple of HostGator shared accounts, all linked together they may consider this as a form of spam.
     
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    glad i stumbled in here ive been wondering the same thing myself!
     
  8. SebastianJu

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    I thought so too. But after a time no answer came in I thought to myself... "Isnt it wiser to ask such question in a blackhat-subforum when the mainforum is called Blackhat-World?" And it seems it helped somehow... :)

    By the way... what do you (and google) call a MFA-Site? Spammy sites with low or unreadable content? How about highly optimized templates like xfactor or hotboys theme that are created for high ctr? When the site has real unique and informative content then there isnt a reason to see it as spam isnt it?
     
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    @SebastianJu - you messed me up a little by posting in the Black Hat Seo section too. :) You should go to your other thread and post a link back to this one. I posted a follow up question in that thread, but it looks like this one is where all the activity is. I'll ask it again in this thread.


    A lot of great info here!! What about reciprical links?
    I have a few secondary sites that I want to link to one main site. These are sites with real content that is all related to each other. The main site really needs to include a source citation to info on some of the secondary sites.

    The goal is to have all the link juice from the secondary sites passed on to the main site. I'll be doing bookmarking, etc. to build seo for the secondary sites as well as the main site. But the end result I want is for the main site to rank the highest.

    My understanding is that reciprical links don't carry the same weight. If the main site includes a reciprical link back to my secondary sites does it kinda nullify the incoming links as far as building seo power. Will it help to make the reciprical links nofollow? Would it be better to include the url, but don't use anchor tags to make it a link? Or would any reference to the url in any form be seen as a reciprical link by the SE.

    edit - My main question is about how to deal with my citations linking back to the secondary sites. But additionally my whole seo plan is to have the Main site and then about 3-5 Secondary sites with links to the Main site. Then one at a time, set up seperate linkwheels for each of the secondary sites. And then also do bookmarking and directory submissions for the main site and secondary sites, as well as taking care of the linkwheels. I guess in essence it turns the whole thing into a much larger linkwheel.

    Is this a sound plan? Is it overkill? Cause more problems than it solves?
     
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  10. aftershock2020

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    Yeah, not really a name for them other than MFA-sites that I know of or use...heh. That's true, as long as the content is legit and real, you can still post ads to pages, they just can't be completely covered in nothing but ads.

    You have to use common sense on these things and keep your content legitimate. If you post rss, articles, blogs, etc, as quoted, shared and collected content from other resources, it will be fine, as long as your target visitor doesn't open a page of nothing but links.

    In my experience, it has been best to keep ads to a min, in no more than two areas on a page, such as a side bar. Google tracks these ads and will know if are abusing the system because it has been proven time and time again that google tracks their ' AD POSTS ' and not just the click-thru contact data.

    You can test that for yourselves by buying adwords ads and checking the tracking results in google's control panel. You have to post ads in their adwords/adsense system to to these posting results, as those ads give backlinks to where and when they show.

    Google keeps track of that to know what sites are best for what niches.

    As for the content issues, I avoid content issues by stocking my sites with legitimate content that I create, track/collect from blogs, articles, etc...QUOTING THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR EVERYTIME, or pay one of my writing staff to write them for me. Unique content isn't as important as good and related content. The unique content will come when you generate your own instead of collecting it from outside resources. The filler to populate your pages in the beginning will be alright, as long as it it legit and targeted to your audience.

    Don't confuse the two types...unique and filler. That's where people go wrong. Also, don't confuse good with bad, just because it is targeted...read at least part of everything you post, or pay someone else to do it for you. Make sure someone is responsible for the quality control. That will be what throws flags to your site being crap or not to google.

    Keep these things in mind.
     
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    Well, as I've mentioned before in this same thread, reciprical links are not as weak as the myth states, as long as they are used within your own content network. The reason they give you more pull is because they are linking related content of your's back to other content that is again your's.

    The relation will hold much more weight if you work it like internal linking of your own pages within a single site...you have your contact page, your blog, your article archive, etc...however they all link back to your main/home page.

    Same principle with linking like this.

    Thing is not to look at this as a larger linkwheel, as it will get out of hand and away from you. There is room for the link wheel on the outside and then the inner linking...keep them seperate or you could cross paths and link spam by mistake from getting carried away, posting where you aren't suppose to.
     
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    Cool, It seemed like what you were saying would apply to this as well. I really wanted treat it the same as internal linking, because these are all within my same content network. Thanks for clarifying that.

    Yeah, even though in essence it is just a larger wheel, I'm planning to keep the Main site separate from the wheels, only connected by the links to the secondary sites. I'll be treating the secondary sites independantly with each having their own wheel.

    Seems like my basic plan is within the guidlines you've layed out. And I'm clear now that its ok for me to do the reciprical links within my main content network. (nice term, btw:))

    I'm planning to use one of the linkwheel building services posted in the BST section for that part of it. I was even thinking it might be better to use a different service for each linkwheel, so that they are less likely to cross paths. Does that sound like a good idea? or would you just find one service and just let them know I want the wheels to be separate.

    Thanks so much for the advice aftershock, and thanks to Sebastion as well for starting this thread. Sometimes topics pop up in the new posts that are exactly what you're working on. :) Serendipity can be pretty cool sometimes!
     
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    Simple fix, just contact Harro or one of the other mods and tell them you double posted and want the one in black hat seo removed. That will stop the issue.

    @ affiliate - That's harsh, man. No need to be reporting people when they openly admitted that there was a second thread. He didn't do it on purpose, as he didn't know where to place the post properly. We are still humans. Not cool. Garbage like that is what continues to make this a less than social place to be hanging out in.

    Come on, chill out and let it go. It isn't like he was messin' with you or anything.
     
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    You bet, glad to help.

    As for the link wheel services, you can use them, sure. Personally, I don't, due to the fact that I like to know exactly what is going on with my sites and I am way faster than most could/would be in doing the same thing.

    Don't get me wrong, there are some quality services out there but remember, there is a fine line and outsourcing to get some of the work off your plate for someone more experienced to do it only takes that oppertunity to gain that same experience away from you first hand.

    Sure, outsourcing has its place but, it is you that is incharge of your business and you have has to make sure you micro manage it to the point of getting the quality results from what you build it into.

    I personally build all my sites and links myself. I can have an average site up and running in less than 24 hours, as long as the domain propegates quickly.

    Just food for thought.
     
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    Did not report the second thread, someone had dropped spam about ipads in the thread. Sorry for the confusion
     
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    Ah, I see. My mistake. Good lookin' out. That's one misunderstanding I am glad to see here as of late. Too much of that going on...people reporting and de-repping simply because of whatever tickles their fancy of the day.
     
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    Yeah I agree with you about learning to do things yourself. I've always built my sites, and the steps I take get it indexed quickly (usually within hours), and the sites always start getting some organic traffic within the first few days. That's just from my own efforts doing pretty simple things, before I even start buying bookmarks or paying for anything else.

    I'm sure I could do a good job of building a linkwheel myself, as far as mapping out the number of sites, number of layers, most efficient way to interlink them all to get maximum linking and keeping a seemingly amount of randomness to the network. I just haven't intentionally made a linkwheel yet, and just for the sheer number of sites needed to make a good one, I'm not that good at spinning the content that many times. It just seems from a time standpoint I'd be better off outsourcing the linkwheels and focus my time on making the true content sites. Maybe your right though and I should do at least the first linkwheel myself. I'll have to give it some more thought.
     
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    Reported for what? Opening another thread? If the worst thing we needed to worry about was having a second thread opened by an experienced member when they think it might have been better suited for a different forum, BHW wouldn't need half as many many mods. Sebastion posted a link in the other thread refering discussion back to this one anyway. I think he did evrything right. A mistake like this one is better to just mention something to the OP about which thread is the most appropriate and let the OP take the steps needed to put a reference pointing to the most appropriate thread and deal with the mods himself if neccessary.

    We'd all be better off just using the report button for trying to keep the forum clear of the noob "Help Me" threads, spam posts, and scammers.

    edit - Damn I guess I need to be more diligent in reading through the thread

    @blackhataffiliate - sorry for misunderstanding. Good job on catching spammers, might want to include when its a reference to spam for posts like that, once the mods delete the spammer it leaves your post as an orphan without any context.

    Sorry for getting off Topic everyone. :)
     
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