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Difference between linkwheel / linkpush

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dasmoot, Jun 7, 2011.

  1. dasmoot

    dasmoot BANNED BANNED

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    I'm looking to invest about 2/3k a month on linkpushes, but I need to know what the difference really is and how it will effect the serp in different ways.

    I understand that linkpush has less of a trace behind it and looks natural. BUT, can I not achieve this in senuke by just separating the pyramids into longer columns? ?

    I've been chatting with the guy from linkpushing dot net and he answered a lot of my questions, but I'd like to get some third party knowledge on how this works.

    I understand the structure. I just want to understand how it will effect my serp differently before I invest 3k a month.
    Also, should I be spreading submissions out over a period of time? Build it up gradually before I blast it?

    My sites over a year old.


    Thanks for your time and answers. You guys are very helpful here.
     
  2. Gozpy

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    Link pushing is mostly for people who don't have 3K to invest. You will see a much greater result by buying links directly from website owners. Then you don't have to worry about all these things (getting links from the separate sources, getting the links indexed, linking strucuture etc.) and the links will be more powerfull. You can find a lot of people who are willing to blog about your site for only 10 - 40$. That is a lot of links...
     
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  3. dasmoot

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    Thanks, can you forward me any information on resources available for what you're saying?

    I was talking to the owner of linkpushing and the automated system creates rss feeds for it all and pings it, it creates reports and everything.

    Isn't that being indexed sufficiently?

    They have packages that cost 1500 a month, so I was assuming it was something that was worth that much? Specially after what I was reading about it.

    How it's different from SEnuke if I was to change the campaign to not feed into a link wheel?
     
  4. Chrisss

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    If you have senuke, then combine the two things. Make a LP and then use senuke on your tiers. Then will you increase the strength of your backlinks.
     
  5. Gozpy

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    Well, my point wasn't that you couldn't write, spin, spam, create profiles, spam some more, create rss feed, submit 'em, ping for 3K$ a month. I'm just saying that you would get so much more if you just bought some "real" links. Think about it. The links you could buy would get indexed by themselves vs. a lot of spamming

    Obviously, many of these "methods" still work. But the effect isn't what it used to be. And creating rss feeds + pinging doesn't mean that the pages will get indexed (though many people would like you to believe that). Of course, you can always spice it up and keep building links to your backlinks (backlink pages), so they at some point get indexed.

    What you have to understand is that most of these strategies are developed by people who have a lot of time, but no money. And since that goes for most of the people in this forum, you easily get the picture that this is the most effective way to go about link building. But in reality it sucks compared to many other solutions.

    You can either take my word for it or trust someone who is primarily trying to sell you a product. I have worked with SEO (black hat and white hat) for six years and Im currently employed in one of the leading SEO companies in Europe.

    There are many ways to get in contact with website owners depending on what kind of links you want. But the easiest way to get a taste of it would be to go to forums.digitalpoint.com and check out their "Link sales" section.

    Good luck :)

    P.S.
    May I know what your project is about?
     
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  6. dasmoot

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    I understand that someone's trying to sell me a product all too well. So I turned here to get a third party comment.


    here, to be more specific. I have 3k to spend on linkpushing, and if other resources are valueable, like buying private links, then I'll spend another 3k.

    My site is worth millions if it's #1 for all the keywords.

    Even the difficult ones with (dont waste your time) on senuke niche research have been indexed on the first page after a few days of campaigns with senuke and SB. So I'm willing to invest small change compared to the output my site will produce.

    Got any good resources on how to acquire these links privately? This is all new to me, I started last week and I'm already seeing my sites on the first page of google, so I guess I'm doing it right eh?

    Also been buying .edu's pretty heavily.
     
  7. danhoff

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    In my industry there is one guy who has over 100 web20 properties (senuke), which link to his money sites and did a massive sb/xrumer blast to it and outranks brand/authority sites.... so please don't say "oldschool" backlinking is king.
     
  8. dasmoot

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    yah. I'm already seeing results comparing to some major established sites that are sitting in 1-2-3 and I was at 4 yesturday. And that's only after like 3 campaigns on senuke and maybe 1000 posts on SB which I'm sure aren't even indexed yet. I only started this 3 days ago after I bought the programs. I was on maybe the 30th page before that

    It seems pretty easy for what I'm doing. Just want to make sure I'm not going to dance too far down, and I want google to actually look at it like it's legit, so I'm doing a massive white hat campaign to keep it up in the long run.


    I want to get back to the first question though.
    Difference between linkwheel and linkpush? It seems like they're pretty much the same, but instead of pointing to all the other backlinks in a wheel, it just points from a bunch of different directions to the money site through tiers.

    Also, HOW white does linkpush look compared to linkwheel really? I have the information from the guy that's SELLING me the linkpush, but if you guys could elaborate it'd be appreciated.

    Should I be pushing towards my high pr 9 edu's pointing to my site and make those tiers?
     
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  9. navone

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    Heres what you should do.

    1. Buy a few tools like senukex/magic submitter, article marketing robot, scrapebox, xrumer, etc.
    2. Go on craigslist/elance/the buyselltrade section/wherever the fuck else you want or trust.
    3. Hire someone for $600 a month that has a ton of experience using these tools, and have them blast out link pushes/pyramids/wheels day in, day out.
    4. Hire someone else for around $600 to just do manual link building.
    5. Spend around $500 a month on buying links on high pr, relevant site.

    You will be tops in google sooner than later, for around 2k a month. No offense to basstrackerboats, as I used his service and did get results, but this would work better.
     
  10. Gozpy

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    You sound like someone who has a little too much money :)

    What you have to "realize" is what these spammy methods are developed for - cause they sure have their advantages. There is a reason why people in this "world" keep talking about long tail keywords and EMDs. Now, I have some friends in the high end of black hat seo and I can assure you that they would never target 'very competitive' keywords (e.g. antivirus software) by ramdomly spamming 10.000 of websites (e.g. link pushing). It simply has less to no effect (Google have pretty good filters nowaday). But what you can do with link pushing, is to build a handful of links to 10.000 pages each optimized for a 'low competitive' keyword (usually they do as analysis).

    I'm sorry, but I can't give you a more specific advice (when I have no idea of what your project is about) than not to "link push". I have used those tools myself, read case studies and worked with a lot of seo and link building. Many people on this forum have become rather blind to anything that doesn't involve spamming free services on the internet.
     
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  11. danhoff

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    IMHO Linkpush = Link Pyramid

    Link push service = multiple link pyramids.
     
  12. dasmoot

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    navone.

    I already bought all those tools dude. lol... And I'm already on page 1 after 2 days of using se nuke.

    Already bought about 150 .edu's


    I've already got all that figure out.
     
  13. dasmoot

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    This isn't the same context of 'very competitive' keywords related to anything as difficult as antivirus or those major things.


    It's only showing that, because it comes up with like 45 million results. But even the #1 sites aren't USING these tools to get to that point. This is a verrrrrrrrrry verrry un-indexed keyword using any sort of blackhat method. I can achieve #1 over the major sites in a few days because they aren't OPTIMIZED for the keywrods, they're just getting the results because they are authorities.
     
  14. danhoff

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    My advice to you ...... fck other people advices .. go and test your strategies and choose the best one.
     
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    And I'm already dominating the low competition keywords with major search results. I optimized for those originally, then found my results in the 'very difficult / dont bother' keywords on the first and second page. So it was very apparent that non of the competition have much targeted content as powerful as what I can push out.
     
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    Here is the difference.

    Linkpushes leave less footprints so to speak and interlink tiers.

    Linkwheels are (typically) just one tier, in which every form of backlinkinking points to the main site, but also points to another site in the same tier.

    http://linkwheelservice.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/link-wheel1.jpg

    Google seems to be able to easily detected Linkwheels.
     
  17. dasmoot

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    Well danhoff. I'm looking for the advice of very prominent seo consultants that might have some very valuable information.

    I write graffiti IRL and I learned the hard way but not listening to any advice. And 10-11 years after I started, I finally realize I should have read up on forums and shit before I ever started to take it to the streets.

    So I'm here asking questions, hoping some seo heads are hanging around the forum willing to answer some questions.


    :D

    I've got time and money to try and learn, and it's well worth it if my site can bring in 10+ mil a month if I dominate every 'very easy' keyword, which I already am doing pretty much.
     
  18. dasmoot

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    Thanks champ. That's what I suspected and seemed to get from what I've been reading. I'm going to back off on my linkwheel campaigns and push towards linkpushes if 1500 will get me better results that look more natural.

    I've obviously read alot about linkpushing already if I'm abotu to spend 3k on it, but I wanted to know if there was specific differences. And to what extent I should use it in ratio to other things.