Ok, I want to try and keep this civil. I realize this has probably been discussed before, but what the heck I rarely post and this has a bee in my bonnet. I'd like to know what black hat means to you. I'll start with mine. There is a lot of discussion between fraud and blackhat. Some people here say they are different and frown on people using fraudulent methods. Well what does fraud mean to me? People using zip submit offers and setting up a LP where you enter your email to get the latest pictures of Britney is fraud to me. CS is fraud. Using incent on non-incent offers is fraud. Basically any means or method of tricking someone to download or do something that was not what they expected is fraud. So pretty much all the methods on this site in my books fall under fraud. Now before you go and flame me, I'm not saying that's bad. I am just puzzled at posts, like the recent one in the CPA section, about when ppl come here say they are doing their own leads or something of that kind and then they get attacked. Last I checked this is a blackhat forum. If doing your own leads or using incent on offers that shouldn't be incent is fraud, then please I would like to here how one can promote CPA via blackhat methods? What exactly would that involve? Flame on!