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Debunking CPA Lead Myths

Discussion in 'Other Affiliate Programs' started by pyronaut, Oct 13, 2009.

  1. pyronaut

    pyronaut Executive VIP

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    So often i see threads about CPA Lead being a terrible network, or shaving like crazy, or banning you for no reason. Most of this is completely unfounded and i would love for someone to post proof contrary to what im about to post.

    To be honest, i think BHCB is fine, and so is Olden's new app. (In fact oldens is actually damn good and a real step up from BHCB). Im not going to say anything about how CPA Lead is better then these two alternatives, or how the two alternatives are better then CPA Lead in some ways (Which they are in certain aspects), there is plenty of info out there, but there is just so much BS about CPA Lead floating around.

    First Off, CPA Lead doesnt shave leads. Put it this way, i sit comfortably on 25% conversion ratio. If they are shaving and im still sitting at 25% for most of the day, then hell i really could not care less. 25% ratio is damn good and better then what most newbie networks (Think maxbounty, XY7 etc) will let you have.

    Next, CPA Lead doesnt shave clicks. Usually the comeback when i say that im sitting on 25% is that CPA Lead are shaving clicks. A while back i was testing a few offers through proxies, mostly to check what kind of offers CPA Lead had and what the landing pages actually looked like. While doing it i was aware at the time that people were saying CPA Lead pads stats by shaving clicks. NOT ONCE during my time of checking landing pages did clicks not show up or get removed from my account. ANYONE with a CPA Lead account can test this. Open an offer for your country in your browser, and see if the click registers. It's such an easy thing to test and yet the myth exists.

    There is also the issue that CPA Lead have low paying offers. I would just like to point out that i dont really care what the offer pays. I care about its EPC. Since we have already determined that CPA Lead isnt shaving clicks we know that whatever EPC we get is real. Generally speaking, i can easily sit over a 0.15 EPC. When CPA Lead gets its hands on good mobile offers this easily rises. You also have to remember that EPC is also related to the country it is coming from. So often people send a shit tonne of garbage traffic from 2nd rate countries (No offence meant, i live in one of them :p), and then expect CPA Lead to make them trillions. Sure i agree, CPA Lead has a tonne of offers that are like 50 cents each, but they convert like crazy and thats all i care about. Relative to 1.50 submits, you are (In my mind) likely to earn more with the 50 cent submit.

    Another supposed issue is that CPA Lead just get their offers from other networks. For a while im sure this was true. But quite often now i am seeing offers that i cannot find on any other network (Or through offer vault). And trust me, the landers show that its some weird advertiser who just spits out surveys like nobodys business :p. At the time of writing this atleast, i am 100% sure that CPA Lead is going direct to merchants for most of its offers.

    The last thing about them banning people.Admittedly i do know one or two people who have been banned from there. However my experience with them has been fine. Aslong as your not using adult traffic you are OK. I have been with them since mid last year, doing medium size numbers. At one point i was having $500 dollar days, and then the next day having something like $3 (Loonnggg story, old method, doesnt work anymore :p), and they never once questioned what was going on.

    This post isnt about me drumming up referrals to my link (Infact my link isnt even contained here!), and i dont offer coaching or anything like that. I have nothing to gain from this post, im just getting sick of people bagging CPA Lead when 1. Half of them dont even belong to the network, 2. Its just pure crap that is completely unproven.
     
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  2. bigman

    bigman Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    well...they banned me just one week before payout......which means 1 month and 3weeks of my effort went to waste... (9 grand in all)

    they gave me some lame ass excuse about how the advertisers weren't happy with my methods and they didn't get paid a dime from any of them advertisers...

    quite hard to believe that all the advertisers bailed out at once...

    interestingly...though i was banned and couldnt log in and though the "advertisers werent happy" the gateway was still functioning normally on my site and didnt get disabled or anything thereby giving them free traffic...

    i asked him how come the gateway wasnt disabled inspite of the advertiser being pissed...and he told me "he cant control the gateway from his end"...

    now that was bullshit.....coz the gateway serves up from his servers and he cant "control" his servers?

    smells like rotten meat to me......

    ps: note the interesting part....the traffic was all la-di-da for 1 month and 3 weeks...

    and suddenly comes along payout time...and bang..."we are not happy"..
     
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  3. pyronaut

    pyronaut Executive VIP

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    Can i ask how you were promoting the gateway then?
     
  4. Nitros

    Nitros Power Member

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    I'm using cP/A#Le@d for couple of weeks now and for me they are great. Good tools, statistics and fast help.

    On some of my sites I'm getting even 80-90% conversions with my custom gate :)

    bigman
    I think your methods were just to blackhat for them ^^
     
  5. quipology

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    Where can I find more info on Olden's new app?
     
  6. Man-Rae

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    Great review. Was thinking about using them but was worried about their negative pr on this board.
     
  7. TheDuke

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    Search forum for Wordpress Guardian
     
  8. mrewen

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    thanks for the review...
    so anyone else confirms what the OP says?
     
  9. SweetJesus

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    I have been using ************** since beginning of july and am now hitting 600 dollars a day with them, No issues with any payments so far and I am in regular contact with the owners and their top dogs, Nothing wrong with them. Email me if you need help with ************** I offer consulting. sweetjesusaccounts@gmail.com
     
  10. Nicknicholas

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    I think ************** sucks. I registered with them months ago, and they never even bothered to send me a rejection letter. I couldn't get in contact with ANNNY staff. All their Messenger contacts were offline 24/7...
     
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  11. wowhaxor

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    Its not an issue of shaving. Its an issue of being paid like $0.45 after a user completes like 10 pages of surveys as opposed to a 1 field e-mail submit etc.
     
  12. pyronaut

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    AS i say though, the EPC and Conversion rates tell a different story. Regardless of whether the "per submit" amount you can earn at other networks. It all comes down to conversions and somehow ************** pulls it out of the bag.
     
  13. charlieman999

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    the only bat thing about them i suppose is they dont have any email submits surveys, only the surveys that require too much time for the user to complete them and they are not payed too high
     
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    As others already stated that same thing and it was already replied to...

    EPC - Earnings per click is what matters most with CPA. It's all about getting the highest value for the traffic you send. If that highest value is coming from 50 cent offers than you're still golden, 50 cent offer or not.

    It's all about split testing to find out what works best for you. You'll never know what will give you the highest EPC if you automatically dismiss it for being too low of payout.

    Most things to do with IM are based on testing and optimization, and than more testing and more optimization. Get used to it. :rolleyes:
     
  15. welovemoney

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    I saw a method here at BHW that I'm going to give a try. It was about ************** and there gateway. It seemed like a great idea. I was thinking about having a simple music blog created.

    I have a couple of questions.

    1. I think with the embed code, the music will not be hosted on my side...right?

    2. Is it illegal to use music from the web? Will I get in trouble for copyright infringement?

    3. Do you feel this would be profitable enough to invest in?

    Thanks a lot to anyone that can help and maybe suggest the best way to go about this.
     
  16. ForeverNever

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    You can't debunk the fact that their payouts are low. Unfortunately it is our only real option because they are one of the very few networks that allow incentivization.
     
  17. ChanzGrande

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    Yeah, I'd like to blow a little smoke into a six-month old thread. I've tested ************** vs. BHCB on exactly the same traffic, same methods, and for well over a year.

    No offense, as most of the time you're dead on the money - this time you're wrong. CPA Lead blows bigtime.

    If you want to talk EPC, let's do it. 1 year testing the same exact traffic stream, same method:

    BHCB .18
    CPA Lead .07

    I like 3x as much money.

    Cheerio!
     
  18. SpeedDemon

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    OP... if you haven't changed your mind about ************** you will. I have completed surveys countless times for downloads or other such things and the gateway would just not open. Other times, I would complete the same exact survey but it would open. They shave, and if you don't believe that then you work for **************.
     
  19. niche1

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    Who is BHCB? And do you still use CPA Lead, at all?
     
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    Weird, I didn't even see your post. This is exactly what I am talking about. Just because it's the biggest network everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Yes it is easy, and they do pay but they shave.