Crazy Xrumer Test. Either Sandboxed..Or 1st page.

Sorry thorroofer, but everytime you post something more ridiculous comes out.

They took my site off for one day then it was number 1 yesterday but only in Firefox

Google has different servers they must have some for different browsers also.

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Seriously??? Different servers for browsers??? You've probably been logged in and clicking on your site so many times that google just placed it on the top based of your web history customizations. I highly doubt if you are ranking any where near the top for any "extremely competitive keywords".

thorroofer said:

Yes! There is no bullshit. If you had any Seo knowledge you would have experienced the Google dance before.

With in days, hours and weeks your site jumps around all over the place.

Angela talks about the Google dance all the time.

Get a life or get some experience. Do not be illiterate

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Of course I know what the google dance is.....just a coincidence that every 20 mins you post your site is on the front page number one then completely gone then back to the front page again.

If you think Angela is the queen of SEO you have it all wrong my friend.

How can you post that Google ranks you first in firefox and not in internet explorer then come in here and try to bash me for having no experience?? Ever heard of cookies and web history??

Stop fighting... We are here to test and try and see... If you don't believe in someone's post just leave them alone...if you agree or like someones then question it or be suggestive...Arguing doesn't get anyone anywhere.

Play nice guys, the topic is going off subject.

Thenayr said:

Of course I know what the google dance is.....just a coincidence that every 20 mins you post your site is on the front page number one then completely gone then back to the front page again.

If you think Angela is the queen of SEO you have it all wrong my friend.

How can you post that Google ranks you first in firefox and not in internet explorer then come in here and try to bash me for having no experience?? Ever heard of cookies and web history??

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Hey if you cannot contribute anything positive here just leave. These guys are giving us some good knowledge in regards to using xrumer and more.

Try clearing your cookies and removing any Google toolbar - as it's not logical to display search results based on browser or browser version. If you want me to independently confirm your site's SERP position, shoot me a PM.

thorroofer said:

But on Firefox it was number 1.

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theadultsplayground said:

You will have very mixed results with XRumer unless you know how to use it. Just blasting sites will not do any good. There seems to be a lot of ppl running XRumer and I feel that eventually google will find a way to stop theautomated indexing/backlinks technique. Of course those that use white hat techniques will be caught in the net as well.

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They might, but you have to figure there are only so many ways of getting back links -

1. Forum chatter/posts, most of which are totally legit and good to see what people are posting about
2. Blogs
3. Article Posting/marketing
4. Website Directories
5. Direct Link on a site page
6. Videos
7. PAD file distribution
8. Press Release
9. News Stories
10. Social Bookmarking

I am sure there are a few others, but if you take away the first, that is like 10% of the link methods available and negates a huge amount of stuff that is important. Besides, 2 of the methods, news stories and press releases, are rare in and of themselves. I have never heard of any site building ALL their links that way, that is just another method to diversify.

Look at the easily spammable methods:

1. forums
2. blogs
3. social bookmark
4. article marketing
5. website directories

hmm. Almost half are really easy to spam if you wanted to, makes it very hard to police if at all.

Subscribed. I'm assuming it will make it to the first 5 pages if you give it 2-3 months time.

Keep us updated
(just wanted to subscribe)
Good Luck with your mystery keyword

That was within the last month. Read this: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/183891/google_personalized_results_could_be_bad_for_search.html

Without independent verification, your 'case study' is meaningless and of no value to members. Get a VIP to verify your results.

I do lots of Xrumer promotion, and do not blast sites! If you study the pharma SERPs (and we have nearly 1 year's of data inside WPBlackhat), you'll find sites moves up the SERPS (as the links are picked up by Google), they trip a filter and then fall. Read more here: http://seoblackhat.com/2009/07/09/spammy-links-are-good-for/

Some of your comments about 'sand-boxing' and link penalization are entirely inaccurate. Be more scientific about it! Perform many independent tests and then verify conclusions. Read more here: http://www.contentgeneration.org/the-art-of-link-spamming/

There is an art to link-spamming, and simply blasting links is not the way to go.

thorroofer said:

Also check this:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100104055638AAljrL3

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Not trying to stir up any shit. Just saying thread's like this are pretty pointless when all they consist of is "omg first on google for amazing keywords!!!" , "omg nvm disappeared".

Like brad is saying, get someone credited to actually back up the claims your making or don't bother bragging about your amazing ranks.

brad1001 said:

Without independent verification, your 'case study' is meanlingless and of no value to members. Get a VIP to verify your results.

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This would help to found out if he is ranking and it is not his personal search.

I own xrumer, done xrumer promotion for client's and my websites, and also once ran a xrumer service here at bhw. Xrumer is powerful and will get your website to rank, but thoroofer's experience seems abnormally very fast, considering he claims he already have 400,000 backlinks and claims to be ranking number 1 for a very extremely competitive keyword.

i think google takes 30-45 days to to give you page rank , When you build links via xrummer...They definitely get indexed in yahoo and some in Google , But as time passed links in google starts to get removed and your website again starts loosing ranking..Maybe even deindexing of your website...

But i was speaking to a guy...Who told me , once your site got deindexed from Google he continued blasting...like hell...And got Fp ranking in Yahoo and MSN...and getting loads of traffic..
Any traffic is traffic right...I dont care where it comes from..as long i get good conversions,

Building links along with loads of content...could really do wonders for anyone...Just need to have a right apprach ,

Like using zlinks list , freely available or with negative or no page rank , would not help you...even if you do blasting on milliion forums and blogs..
Quality and Million links is important..thats what i feel


Your experiment seems to be good...but i would like to get the result verified...by some moderator or Jr vip..

I went through this "seeing what you want to see" thing this past week. Google was showing me number one on my Pc and my wife's pc here at home.

I bragged to a friend I was number one and he was like.. "dude your not even on the first page"

I cleared my cookies.. and still I showed number 1. At this point I was ready to drive to Mountain view and ask what the head games were about.

I logged out of my google account cleared Cookies again and then I finally saw my real results. I still have a long road ahead of me.

Im ultra N00btastic still but I swear the results I have seen so far prove to me it's 80% backlinks. Backlinks are almost better then content rich pages.

What am I the only one who has seen a parked page ranked for a weak keyword?

As far as the Xrumer test I would say yes that it has no value if the OP is not even willing to give up a keyword. It may also be wise that he definitely does not give one up now since he has been assertive with other members.
Also OP the proper word would be Ignorant not Illiterate.

The best Xrumer method I have seen so far is to merely set up profiles on multiple worldwide forums.
As the confirmation emails come in hand verify them and if SEO quake shows a good amount of pages indexed then its worth trying to throw up a pertinent post on that forum. Hell look for the introduction thread and post there if you gotta..

I think the OP has a valid point that not all his links will be deleted. How many forums have you come across that don't seem to be moderated AT ALL. People throw them up after paying for a year of hosting and then that's it.. Im sure,given I have personally seen 2000 forums, that there are at least a million forums running on the web. You dont think at least 20 of those were paid for up front for a year by people who are now dead or in jail and can't boot your link off? Given enough people anything is possible.

During the first gulf war more American soldiers died during operation desert shield leading up to the war (car accidents,dropped rifles,flu, etc.) then actually died during combat operations. Enough people and anything is possible.

I think the still ranking in Yahoo theory after Google deindex is also valid. Consider Yahoo has an almost equal market share and counts almost every link in their algorithm its still a valid approach. My main site has 3 google links and over 300 yahoo. They don't care. I always thought the only reason Yahoo hung on to market share was because they were the first to have free email and never really allowed people to take those emails elsewhere with pop3 unless they paid. People are lazy. They log in to check email and do a search while they are there. They dont want to change their email so they keep loggin in. Only recently has it become possible to check yahoo mail with gmail and you have to renew it every 30 days.. again people are lazy. They will do it once and then just go back to logging into yahoo and doing a search while they are there.

Also Yahoo was always quick to suck up as much cash as they could. Wanna buy stuff from Chinese manufactures? We can do it heres Alibaba.
Wanna post tons of pics on line and pay for it? We can do that here is our new product flickr. Wanna buy a domain? We can do that and your so lazy you wont notice its twice the price as elsewhere. Need hosting for that? You get my point. They are like the ultimate affiliate marketer. Whatever you want they make to you very good deal my friend.

Meanwhile Google concentrated on the ad business and.. what else they do in Mountain view? Scan dusty books play pinball and sing 70`s show tunes? I know poor tons of money into the most overly developed App that has no possible income... GOOGLE EARTH...
Only recently have they seriously pursued alternate income.

I still think we are 5 years away from anyone actually caring what their rank in Bing is but hey.. Once upon a time in 1992 my English teacher explained to me what an Email was and I said "Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard why wouldn't you just call them? " Now I get a 100 a day.. some days a 1000 if I buy an Xrumer blast...

If you actually read all this.. ya.. Im fried..

You have alot of valid points! My site was sandboxed for a month at time for building links to fast and there is an much needed skill on building links. The sore purpose of this test is to see if i went ape-shit how far would i get? And currently im not getting that far.

brad1001 said:

That was within the last month. Read this: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...onalized_results_could_be_bad_for_search.html

Without independent verification, your 'case study' is meaningless and of no value to members. Get a VIP to verify your results.

I do lots of Xrumer promotion, and do not blast sites! If you study the pharma SERPs (and we have nearly 1 year's of data inside WPBlackhat), you'll find sites moves up the SERPS (as the links are picked up by Google), they trip a filter and then fall. Read more here: http://seoblackhat.com/2009/07/09/spammy-links-are-good-for/

Some of your comments about 'sand-boxing' and link penalization are entirely inaccurate. Be more scientific about it! Perform many independent tests and then verify conclusions. Read more here: http://www.contentgeneration.org/the-art-of-link-spamming/

There is an art to link-spamming, and simply blasting links is not the way to go.

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You are so full of shit! Ever heard of Google-bowling? You really have no clue! If it was as simple as you say, why don't every-one buy link-spamming tools and spam their way to the top?

I'm calling you out for your total bullshit in this thread! So, here's the deal.

If you can independently verify that you have achieved the results you say you have with Xrumer blasts, I will pay $500 into your paypal account. All you need is independent verification by one credible VIP and you win!

Time to put-up or shut-up!

thorroofer said:

Nice articles! So what you saying also is that I can blast every website on the first top ten results of Google and then give them a low ranking because most of there links would not be natural. This will be my next experiment if I thought it would work. There is no way that Google would allow you in any way to be able to affect someone else s rankings. If it is true that these type of links can hurt you or building too many links to fast would hurt you. Also if it was true that spamming will hurt your websites rankings then I could just spam the shit out of any website in my way. I know your trying to be smart and make spamming out to be something technical. Look the art of spamming is spamming. Anyone can do it, there is no art. Look if you know SEO so well PM me a site that you have ranked at least number two on Google for at least four keyword phrases. I challenge any body. I will PM you back the same, a site that is ranked at least number 2 on Google for 4 keyword phrases. Hell I will post one up here if my one of my clients will allow it. Then you will earn my respect and everybody else s. Lets see what your about I will show you mine if you show me yours!

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Haha... back-tracking already. Some of your comments above are laughable. You have a PR3 site - wow! You have a site that ranks for 4 key phrases - I'm very impressed!

Here's some of your claims:

One site has 400,000 back links so far. The sites so far keep getting better and better positioning in Google. I am going up the ladder.I think the sandbox story is a myth. Its Bullshit!

Now for 2 days one my websites is at the 4th position on the first page of Google. The site is three months old. The keyword is very very very competitive. Trust Me!

My site is number three for a very competitive keyword and I am still blasting with Xrumer aggressively You would die if you knew the keyword. I want to tell so bad. But I am scared that someone from Google may read this.
paranoid! I guess.

I am now number one for one of the most competitive keywords you can Imagine.

They took my site off for one day then it was number 1 yesterday but only in Firefox

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To win the bet you have to support all the claims you made above.

1. Prove you have a site that has 400k links (from Xrumer) and is ranking for some competitive terms - so it has not been penalised;

2. Prove you ranked a site/page 4th for a "very very very competitive" keyword with Xrumer - remember you said "You would die if you knew the keyword."!

3. Prove this statement "I am now number one for one of the most competitive keywords you can Imagine."

4. And show the number 1 ranking was not due to personalized search!

Just because a domain is low PR does not necessarily give reason to condemn somebody of their knowledge of SEO. Brad is a standup guy around here, and i doubt he needs SERP results to advertise his site, he can probably get away with word of mouth, maybe he is concentrating more on content. Let's not start a flame war guys. I for one found this thread extremely interesting to see what "the truth" is about blasting with xrumer. Yet nothing on here can be 100% concrete evidence because everybodies situation and results will differ.

Seriously if you two are going to argue take it to pming instead. We are trying to create a viable informational thread not an argue thread...

(Also as an update) I remember the time where you would google bomb a site and you would receive first page rankings at most within a week. I have 200k valid links posted on forums currently for all 4 sites and all i see is the backlink count rise and nothing more. Man i wish these times where as easy as those days...