CPA Lead is a big scam!!!

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IStealMovies said:

So Adscend, I see all these publishers cleaning house on Leadbolt with Facebook traffic. I looked up some referral analytics and the majority of their traffic is movie/tv show websites and Facebook viral pages. I have spoke to several former publishers at CPA /l3ad and they use methods like click jacking, among other spam methods. I see that 90% of Adscend's traffic are from the same methods.

Jeremy from Adscend, do you guys allow these viral methods for FB traffic? Are you guys at all worried that FB is currently suing CPA l3ad's CTO Jason Swan, and Maxbounty? Are you worried they will do the same to you? You do know how your publishers are suddenly going from zero traffic to hundreds of thousands of clicks overnight, right? Its not possible to do this legally is there? If so, please enlighten me.

I'm really a noob to the FB stuff, but I would love to get out of the movie niche, as it seems to be drying up. FB is where its at, and Leadbolt and Adscend are making sh!t loads of money on this stuff. I can post referral analytics reports on here to show any of you if you want to see proof. Everyone should be getting in on this, and I don't want to get jacked for thousands of dollars again like CPA l3ad did to me.

Jeremy from Adscend, Mike from Leadbolt, please enlighten me if you allow this? I could hire a few programmers and drive tons of traffic very quickly.

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grab me on SKype: LeadboltMIKE to discuss

the short answer is yes, its allowed

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The longer answer...

on lead bolt all gateways are approved individually. we work with affiliates and make suggestions to put them in the best positing possible to earn while still staying legit. We've had a lot of success moving affiliate who made a lot of money offering fake credits in exchange for ebooks.

Extreme tactics have never been approved, but unlike other networks we dont simply close the door on these affiliates and ban without pay. We give support, we allow affiliates to improve, and make changes.

mikeycrashoverride said:

I am not sure why discretion is too necessary? This is BHW isn't it? If we cannot feel safe here where can we feel safe. Companies like these troll these posts all day long.. most of this information is quite available anywhere really. It's nice to have someone stand up amongst our crowd and ask some bold questions. [istealmovies] cheers and kudos.. now I wait anxiously with my fellow comrades to hear what they have to say. I have been awaiting this.. I also am in search of where to really go with my traffic these days. This feud has really dampened my eagerness to earn with these companies.. I mean really.. who's got it and who doesn't? That's the question on my mind. Any others?

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Did you hear what Leadbolt Mike said? Skype..

I know some of you guys can't help your panties getting wet the moment you hear about viral fb traffic... but holy shit how about using your head for a change? Don't air dirty laundry and don't put people on the spot. Is it that hard to communcate via pm or im? Some of you guys are just fucking clueless..

Discretion and common sense.. Two things that are in short supply around here.

Leadbolt said:

the short answer is yes, its allowed

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Ohhh the BH newcomers will love this answer. What they don't know is that once one of your affiliates gets REALLY viral, like doing $25k in a day or more off a gateway (yes, its possible), there'll be a lot of pissed off FB users. Your network will eventually receive C&D's once someone does a big operation on FB that has your networks name tied to it (and there are users capable of sending that kind of traffic your way here, u probably already know). 'Yes, its allowed', 'its' being like-clickjacking.. I hope your servers are ready for that kind of stuff. You'll be laughing in one month, maybe two months from now, get that unbeatable feeling and then get the slap in the face. Just like all the affiliates.

I don't want to offend your network or anything, but for me this has a stay away alert written all over it. I wouldn't be very happy if the network owner would openly say they allow that kind of 'spam' traffic (which it is according to FB) right under plenty of powerful eyes..

I don't want to bash or anything, let everyone have their own opinion, but seeing a lot of ppl complain about CPAL. here and then falling in love with a network that is essentially going down the same road just makes me wonder if people will ever learn .. Or they just like losing money? Let me tell you the 'big secret'.. your BH traffic is fine with the big WH networks. As long as you hide the BH part and toss it in with WH traffic so that it actually converts for the advertiser. You'll never have to worry about your next payout or a C&D. All that for probably 15% of your profits in advertising costs and you can do it for years to come. Being cool with your AM helps too. If you want to be a big guy.. well, the big guys inform their AMs. You can get higher payouts for offers as well. They'll adore you.

And there won't be no threads about scammy BH networks anymore
Just my .02 cents.

Thanks Mike. I'll reach out to you this week. So many on here worrying so much. This is supposed to be the place where we can openly discuss this stuff right? You think anyone is in here watching us that isn't supposed to? I'm also sure every one of you who posts in here (like me), is using advanced proxies to protect your identity. Being brash is how you make as much money as I have in this industry.

Checkmate said:

Lead bolt allows it but if course your page must be reviewed first before the gateway goes live.

As for Adscend I heard you must comply with FB's TOS which means no spamming, fake accounts etc so good luck with that lol
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Yeah right, like Adscend does not know that they are making the majority of their money from Facebook fraud. That's hilarious. I guess they are trying to be smart by having plausible deniability, but at the end of the day, its BS and we all know it. If you are going to post as a company in this forum, then be honest. The very fact that you are posting in here, yet trying to be a legit corporation is funny in itself. You think Commission Junction is in BHW recruiting pubs? Just companies willing to bend the rules, and recruit guys like us who also bend/break the rules.

So Jeremy from Adscend, if you want to gain the respect and community of the BH community, man up and talk openly.

What's with all the BS going around this tread? It started with cpapeed, turned to leadbolt, and now it is about Adsendmedia?

For the last time everyone go back and read the previous posts! Leadbolt allows your content they allow ALL content! That content that's not okay with another network, is OKAY with LeadBolt. Quit asking again and again you're drawing more attention to this thread. There is a reason why ******* is blacklisted here and they aren't sh!t with blackhatters anymore and Leadbolt is killing it.

FOR THE LAST LAST LAST TIME.. is black hat and movies okay?
******* = NO
LeadBolt = Yes
Now STFU and make some money.

I think it is a big scam, as soon as I started making money with them, they locked my account. I've used video sharing website which they accepted and after that send me copyright problem.

kalseo said:

I think it is a big scam, as soon as I started making money with them, they locked my account. I've used video sharing website which they accepted and after that send me copyright problem.

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Is this a serious post? Did you not just read that ******* doesn't accept movie sites and its risky as hell running with them??

go with leadbolt geez you people need to learn from other people's mistakes there is a wealth of knowledge in this thread. ******* doesn't like blackhat content.

IStealMovies, we do not allow click-jacking or other malicious or misleading behavior.

We've seen publishers use misleading background images or instructions, as well as fake content, suggestive content, etc. We actively monitor for those types of issues and we ensure that they're corrected or that the gateways are deleted as needed. Sometimes it's things that the publisher thought was OK, because some things are subjective. We give people the opportunity to bring things into compliance though, we don't just take away earnings or ban people without pay, unless it's something that is clearly not allowed (adult content, tv/movie sites, fraud, etc).

raypest said:

For the last time everyone go back and read the previous posts! Leadbolt allows your content they allow ALL content! That content that's not okay with another network, is OKAY with LeadBolt. Quit asking again and again you're drawing more attention to this thread. There is a reason why ******* is blacklisted here and they aren't sh!t with blackhatters anymore and Leadbolt is killing it.

FOR THE LAST LAST LAST TIME.. is black hat and movies okay?
******* = NO
LeadBolt = Yes
Now STFU and make some money.

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Yeah sure man, they allow ALL content until shit hits the fan and someone does some real numbers that'll piss FB AND the advertiser off. No payment from the advertiser or perhaps just LeadBolts network they're channeling the offers through means NO payment for you (and perhaps a C&D). Then everyone can start crying in this thread all over again. It'll just have a different title. Use your brain man. Leadbolt is just the middle person in all this, sure they want to do crazy numbers, as long as they're getting paid, they can pay you and make a nice profit. But if I were an advertiser on Leadbolt and see that the owner openly says on a forum they allow click(like)jacking that'd be a very solid reason for me to not pay them a penny. I wouldn't feel comfortable with any network that says openly they allow illegal activity to generate leads (which it surely is according to FB). Not as an advertiser, not as an affiliate.

Also notice how this network started to grow in a huge way after CPAL. decided to follow their own TOS. I'm pretty sure LeadBolts TOS has the same things in it as CPAL's. They'll have all the legit reasons to take your money and ban your ass once they start receiving C&Ds. Which they will. We'll have this thread again in a couple of months, just with a different title.. Mark this post.

If you still believe that these networks that claim they are OK with BH leads will pay you out and protect you against a C&D once shit hits the fan.. think again. CPAL. probably had a lot more cashflow than Leadbolt has now and they decided to play nicely if they wanted to continue business.

Just follow my advice and you'll be golden for years to come.. no more worries about payouts or a C&D. All it takes is a little less greediness.
"Let me tell you the 'big secret'.. your BH traffic is fine with the big WH networks. As long as you hide the BH part and toss it in with WH traffic so that it actually converts for the advertiser. You'll never have to worry about your next payout or a C&D. All that for probably 15% of your profits in advertising costs and you can do it for years to come. Being cool with your AM helps too. If you want to be a big guy.. well, the big guys inform their AMs. You can get higher payouts for offers as well. They'll adore you."

I really hope you guys take this advice so that we won't have to go through these threads again I plan for the worst though..

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD: There is no EASY money anymore. All the money you earn with your leads is PAID for from someone's bank account. They're not paying you because they like you so much, they're paying you to EARN as much as they can from those leads YOU generated. And in the end, all it takes for the advertiser is to call the network and tell them to block this and this affiliate and remove the leads. Network doesn't get money for your leads, so 90% of the time you won't see the money either. THINK about that the next time you start a campaign. Put yourself into the persons shoes that is paying for your leads. Throw them a bone so that a % of the leads will convert, so that they might end up making money from your leads instead of just throwing money away at worthless leads (spend x% of your profits on advertising).

About Facebook, provided you dont use Facebook Logos, Zynga logos, and give the user content which is worthy of filling out a survey, it creates what we believe is a "Market place". Users are filling out surveys for farmville strategy guides. This is the form of promotion that is being approved on our network.

OdinSeo said:

This is interesting thread. ******* has made an army of haters by cleaning up their network. Do you think any network would be stupid enough to engage in this kind of internet war when they would clearly see what will happen. ******* does not sit at the top of the food chain. They have their asses kicked hard by advertisers when they send garbage traffic too. There are few reason I might think of:
- Breaking TOS - banned - nothing to explain here
- Low conversion rate - banned - why others' traffic is double or triple in conversion rate when you are not, you must be doing something shady (If you can explain yourself you get your money back)
- Inactivity - banned - You are not profitable and taking up their resources
Look at the history of money making like face book, CL and others there is boom and doom. They all raised their defense at BH methods then there's no surprise when all CPA networks start cleaning up their pubs. This is the doom of back hat CPA so you better adapt to it or find another method to make money. ******* will be the first and all others will follow because they also must adapt to feed their hungry pocket. No advertiser would love to work with someone who doesn't provide them at least a positive ROI. Would you?

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what are you their mouth piece ??

God, what a bad news

FantasticFox said:

I'm not sure you guys are considering all the options.
I've recently came across a similar company named MATOMY (you can just google them), only they also have international offers and a pretty wide variety.
I came across their demo and decided to register. It was very easy and fast to integrate and seem to be getting good results so far.

You should really check it out.

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What a spammer you are

http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...shers-please-review-my-stats.html#post2477945

Is their site down? Haven't been able to get in for a day.....

Any other recommendations for non-adult payment gateway?

Lost 13 bucks with ***lead....

mart21har said:

Lost 13 bucks with ***lead....

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Ouch! that's got to hurt.

mart21har said:

Lost 13 bucks with ***lead....

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those bastards! you should sue them!


couldn't help it.. I lol'd.