CPA Email Submits & Shaving

GoldenTiger · Feb 23, 2009

Now there are a lot of great methods that I want to implement using Email/Zip submit offers, like CL methods and the poll method for Adwords.

However, it seems that the shaving on these types of offers has reached epic proportions now. I have tried a method where I know exactly how many people have completed the offer, and now it seems that between 70 to 90% of the submits are being shaved!

Is anyone still making decent money with those offers? Which network do you work with that is not shaving like crazy??

havokb8 · Feb 23, 2009

They will all shave more and more as the more blackhat leads come in. Obviously the secret submit method seems to have taken its toll

arthro · Feb 23, 2009

havokb8 said:
They will all shave more and more as the more blackhat leads come in. Obviously the secret submit method seems to have taken its toll

what is "secret submit"?

stefanlyl · Feb 23, 2009

so currently email and zip submits would proly not be a good thing to get into? anyone certain company tht doesnt shave to much??

mrewen · Feb 23, 2009

yea... shaving in these offers is huge...
though C*O*Pe*AC shaved least for me...

stefanlyl · Feb 23, 2009

yea im using copeac rite now , they seem to be the best rite now , im still getting a low conversition , but im making enough

toyo · Feb 23, 2009

stefanlyl said:
yea im using copeac rite now , they seem to be the best rite now , im still getting a low conversition , but im making enough

You gotta be kidding me!

jay101 · Feb 23, 2009

They all shave no matter what, whitehat or blackhat. Some networks are better than others of course and alot of them shave pretty hard on new accounts that are bringing heavy traffic.

Just split your offers up between networks and fine tune the ones that shave the least for you. Then maintain 5 - 10 that shave the least and do everything you can to keep those networks happy as far as traffic is concerned.

Keep your nose clean so to speak, at least for their eyes.

Axelian · Feb 23, 2009

jay101 said:
They all shave no matter what, whitehat or blackhat. Some networks are better than others of course and alot of them shave pretty hard on new accounts that are bringing heavy traffic.

Just split your offers up between networks and fine tune the ones that shave the least for you. Then maintain 5 - 10 that shave the least and do everything you can to keep those networks happy as far as traffic is concerned.

Keep your nose clean so to speak, at least for their eyes.

Thank you for telling all of these people the naked truth.

Best way to get in.

Suck the affiliate managers ass. HARD.

bobbylove321 · Feb 23, 2009

I'd recommend affiliate.com or hydranetwork.com they have very good payouts.

catbert78 · Feb 23, 2009

islandman1010 said:
I use secret submit and the worst shavers for the networks I belong to are Coprosper, Ads4Dough and Incentreward. They have credited nothing. Best has been Max Bounty, Xy7 and Flux

I've been experiencing the same thing with these networks as well; no conversions. I'll try to sign up for Maxbounty, Xy7 and Flux as you suggested and see how things go.

Anybody else have other suggestions on networks that still have reasonable conversions on email submits?

Thanks!

playercool · Feb 23, 2009

I am wanting to get into this using iframes.

I am worried that no one will fill out the page 2 and 3 and so on.

Should I be worried about this? Or just say screw it, I am supplying an email address who cares about the converts. What is your take?

kellyfish · Feb 24, 2009

anyone knows which CPA company that shave LESS ?? thanks

jay101 · Feb 24, 2009

Here's the thing, don't worry about shaving to much up front because some networks are spastic at times and it can vary between affiliates.

Just because your getting shaved hard, doesn't mean the other guy is. And vise versa.

Although there are those networks that just don't pay and are pretty dirty to tell you the truth. Do some digging in the CPA section to find out who to stay away from.

Instead, when working with emal/zip submits hammer out and perfect your traffic source first while testing networks for yourself. You need to bring in some good traffic to see results that will add up anyways so shaving should be secondary as you experiment with traffic.

Some good split testing will help you figure out who's good to you.

If your not prepared to do that than you won't go far with email/zip submits.

Rushpat · Feb 24, 2009

arthro said:
what is "secret submit"?

It was a program offered here a while ago for a very high cost. I looked into it. It basically sounded like a program that you would get installed on other people's computers that would contact a database in the background to pull in email addresses from a HUGE database and fill out email submits on CPA sites in the background. That way, you'd get a steady stream of money from email submits but they'd appear to come from unique IPs and not from proxies.

At least, I think I'm thinking of the same thing...

toyo · Feb 24, 2009

mreleet said:
Brilliant! give out a list of the best converting networks for the people too lazy to do research to abuse.

Give it a few weeks and these networks will crack down.

I had people complaining that this networks are shaving like crap. It differs between affiliates. New accounts get targeted like hell.

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