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ContentCreation is a repeat non-deliverable - needs to be banned

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by OldSalt, May 27, 2012.

  1. OldSalt

    OldSalt Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Ok, I've been here long enough that I should have checked his iTrader - my bad on that:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/itrader.php?u=181817
    His last 2 transactions were for writing that he was paid for but didn't deliver.
    Here is his profile:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/181817-contentcreation.html


    Not having seen that and wanting some articles written, I saw his signature and checked out the sample site:
    Help Me Get To China .. 30 X 500 Word Articles For Just $100! Sample: http://goo.gl/s8ktw


    I'll attach the skype and emails below but here is the summary (removing his and his brothers name and all email addresses - will be happy to deliver unedited copies to a mod).


    [4/28/2012 1:43:12 PM] VaBeach Matt: Hi content-kings! I sent you a message on BHW (I'm Old Salt) - looking to get some articles written... wanting to verify everything and then I'll get you a full list of articles... Hit me up either via Skype or BHW. Thanks


    [4/28/2012 1:45:05 PM] Content Creation: Hi mate .. Unfortunately, im at a Uni where they see BHW as 'hacking' site, so it's blocked :'( .. Any contact will have to be through here for now


    ...


    [4/28/2012 1:47:28 PM] VaBeach Matt: I sent a msg... so since you were offering 30x 500 word articles for $100, I gather 25x600 would be ok? (I prefer 600 word articles for my sites and it's the same # of words)


    [4/28/2012 1:48:00 PM] Content Creation: Yea, thats no problem


    [4/28/2012 1:48:41 PM] VaBeach Matt: what do think your turnaround time would be for the 25 articles? You could feed them as you completed them rather than wait for the entire set to be completed.


    [4/28/2012 1:49:29 PM] Content Creation: Well I just had another order actually, so the TAT would be a little longer than usually .. But I could have delivered them all in bulk by around Thursday, but sending them as I finish would be better


    [4/28/2012 1:50:59 PM] VaBeach Matt: that would be fine... it'll prob take me a day or 2 to send the order to you - this order will be rounding off several of my sites - my next one (2-3 weeks) would be to create an entirely new authority site


    [4/28/2012 1:51:38 PM] Content Creation: Cool, I look forward to getting that done for ya!


    [4/28/2012 1:52:02 PM] VaBeach Matt: and just wanting to verify... you wrote the articles on the sample site you referenced in your sig?


    [4/28/2012 1:52:26 PM] Content Creation: Yes, that's my site :)


    ...


    [4/28/2012 1:54:42 PM] VaBeach Matt: ok... then just let me know what email to send the paypal to and if that's the same email to send the article title details to?


    [4/28/2012 1:55:25 PM] Content Creation: My payment address is xxxxxxxxxxxxx@googlemail.com
    My email is: xxxxxxxxxx@googlemail.com


    [4/28/2012 1:55:52 PM] Content Creation: I use my brothers paypal, so the name you send to will be xxxxxxx


    ...


    [4/28/2012 2:01:17 PM] VaBeach Matt: lol... yep... Ok... I'm going to get started getting the article titles together and then I'll send the payment and the titles


    [4/28/2012 2:01:44 PM] Content Creation: No problem buddy


    [4/28/2012 2:02:08 PM] VaBeach Matt: take care... <wave>


    [4/28/2012 2:02:27 PM] Content Creation: You too mate! (y)


    [5/2/2012 6:17:34 AM] VaBeach Matt: Hey xxxx, pls make sure you and xxxxxxxx check your emails. I sent the $100 to him via paypal but it still shows unclaimed... just want to be sure you both got the order. Thanks


    [5/2/2012 9:18:04 AM] Content Creation: Hi Matt, i'm very sorry for the delays .. I have had a mad couple of days! I will accept the payment now, and get cracking on your articles .. How do you want them delivered?


    [5/2/2012 3:29:47 PM] VaBeach Matt: Prob it would just be easist to send each group as you completed them. I wasn't too concerned, just figured you guys may not have been checking emails, so I wanted to give you the heads up. ;)


    [5/15/2012 5:01:01 PM] VaBeach Matt: Hey xxxxx, It's been 13 days we last talked - and I haven't seen any of the 25 articles... so... how about letting me know what's up? If you've sent some of them, let me know when and I'll recheck. Thanks.


    (the following was sent via Skype, email and BHW message)
    [5/17/2012 5:48:07 AM] VaBeach Matt: xxxxx,


    I have been patient but I need to see some results very soon.


    I paid the $100 for the 25 x 600 articles on April 29th and you picked it up on May 2nd after we chatted via Skype. That is now over 2 weeks ago.


    You asked how I would like them delivered and I said in groups:


    ** snip - it was copy of previous messages **


    I sent a message a couple of days ago that I haven't seen a reply to - what is going on here guys?


    If I don't have the majority of the articles within 5 days I will open up a Paypal dispute for the $100 - I'm sorry but I don't have a choice here. I have received nothing since you picked up the payment - not even an email saying how it's going.


    So, if you haven't been working on them, it's time to get them done or the payment will be disputed.


    [5/18/2012 5:50:15 AM] VaBeach Matt: xxxxx, I just noticed the negative iTrader's on your BHW account. Make no mistake - if I don't get most of the articles within the next 4 days, I will not only dispute the PayPal, but I will also push to put you on the Shitlist on BHW. Trust me, I don't do that lightly - but I will not let a scammer continue to operate within our membership.


    He then contacted me via email:
    May 21st:


    Hi Matthew,


    I am very very sorry for the late reply, I have had no internet access for 3 weeks now, because British Telecom were upgrading the cables around my town, but messed up and have been unable to fix it until now!


    In cases like that, I would just go to my aunts who lives a few minutes away, but her internet was messed up too


    Anyway, I know you are probably wanting to get something from me, so I will work my hardest now to get them to you within a few days .. Unless you want a refund? I will be happy to send you your money back


    I have to give it to you though, you are definitely the most patient client I have ever worked with! :) Most guys would have filed a claim and probably got their money back by now


    Anyway, i'm sorry again, and I will try and have them donw for you within the next few days


    Thanks


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    My reply:


    Hey xxxxx,


    I'm sorry to hear about the issues you've had with the internet but am
    glad that you're back up and running. You are right, I have been
    pretty patient up until this point, and am willing to wait just a few
    more days. I can tell you that I am not going to let this go beyond
    the 30 day point - in fact, I'm not going to let it go beyond 28 days
    just to ensure I can put a dispute in if it is necessary.


    Sooo... this is what I'm willing to do. I will give you until this
    Saturday to get them done - if I do not have them before Sunday
    morning my time, then I will put in a dispute for anything not
    completed. If you have sent me half of them, I will put a dispute in
    for half of it. If you have sent them all and they are of decent
    quality, then we'll be cool.


    So, the choice is yours - you've got the list - can you knock out the
    25x600 word quality articles by this Saturday night? If you can't, I
    would suggest sending the refund rather than having me put in a
    dispute.


    You tell me, can and will you do it?
    Thanks,
    Matt


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    His reply - almost immediately:


    Hi,


    That is very generous of you to offer more time, I appreciate that .. But I can promise to have them done by Saturday, no problems at all!


    Expect an email from me throughout the week


    Cheers


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    Zero emails, zero skype messages since then. I sent the following to him via skype, email and BHW message:


    [5/25/2012 4:21:28 PM] VaBeach Matt: Sent via email this morning:
    [5/25/2012 4:21:32 PM] VaBeach Matt: xxxx,


    Once again you said you would be done by Saturday and tomorrow is Saturday.


    I'm just letting you know you have the following options left:
    1) Get the articles done within the next 48 hours
    2) Refund the money if you can't get them done within the next 48 hours
    or
    3) I will dispute the charge in 48 hours and put up a SL on BHW.


    I am a patient person but all I've gotten so far is promises. I'm
    giving you the option to get this done or issue the refund.


    Matt


    ======================


    and now I am doing exactly what I said I would. He has not produced the agreed upon product. He did not initiate a refund, which I gave him a chance to do. I have put in a Paypal dispute but reguardless of whether I recover my $100 or not, ContentCreation needs to be banned. We do not and should not tolerate members who take other members payment without delivering the product that they agreed upon.


    Have a great weekend all,
    OldSalt - aka Matt

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  2. kelvin.thechamp

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    The site sample is very very shitty , 28 days are enough for writing that many articles
    he should be banned for sure , i hope u get your money back
     
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  3. OldSalt

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    I wasn't looking at the look and feel of his sample site, just the content because I was just looking for the articles.

    I expect that I'll recover the money, but in either case, this along with his other non-deliverables, it's time for him to be banned IMO.
     
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    He just lost a valuable customer. If I were him I'll do my best to make you happy so that there will be more orders to come. I'm sorry for your loss.
     
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    Yea he scammed me too but since the amount involved was too small, I didn't open a shitlist thread. I feel sorry for OP and hope you get your money back.
     
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  6. OldSalt

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    I'm not too concerned overall - I'm pretty sure that Paypal will reverse it - I just don't want scammers like him within our membership here. Kinda surprised an Mod hasn't chimed in. Figured over the weekend (and the US holiday yesterday) it may not be noticed, but figured one of them would check out the SL this morning. ;)

    *Edit* I had sent his brother the money via Paypal so I had looked up both of them up on Facebook. ContentCreation wasn't active there, but his brother was. I messaged him on Sunday that his brother was on the BlackHatWorld Shitlist and included this URL. I didn't get a response but his brother posted yesterday, so I'm pretty sure he would have seen the message. I also left info on ContentCreation's skype. I'll be surprised if I hear from him again.
     
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  7. OldSalt

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    Well, it's been 5 days since I opened this thread - would appreciate a Mod stopping in and initiating contact. I'll be glad to send the full contact info (his Skype is listed in his profile and I have his and his brother's email addresses). I have sent this thread to them and encouraged him to come to the thread.

    I have seen Mods in the past ask what would satisfy the OP to put the issue to rest - so I will just say that for me, I think that the only thing that should keep him from being banned would be not only answering my dispute with a refund but also to pay back dabeast and download what he took from them. I don't care if it was $5 or $50 from each of them, he took money from them and didn't deliver as well. For him to 'make things right', he needs to issue a refund to me AND them.

    If he doesn't issue the refund to all 3 of us, I think he should be banned. I am waiting about a week into the Paypal dispute to escalate it for refund just to give him the chance to respond. So far it's been 5 days and nada from him.
     
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  8. blackpayman733

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    His last activity day is 05-22-2012 03:55 PM.MOD have to take an action now.
     
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    contentcreation has been notified of the thread and has 24 hours to respond.
     
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    Some days I can finish 25 articles in around 1-2 days. You were way more than generous.
     
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    Sucky situation.

    I would just say, if you are willing to pay more for guaranteed results, just buy your articles from Textbroker or similar site.
     
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  12. OldSalt

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    I have paid more for articles and bought them from others - just saw what looked to be a bargain and he didn't deliver... so even though Paypal will probably refund the $100 to me, their Paypal is most likely already emptied. For such a small amount he will likely lose his BHW membership and his PP account (unless he pays them back). My BHW account is worth MANY times that amount to me.
     
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    Its been fishy in the first place that he made you sent the payment to a fresh paypal since it says unclaimed. Problem is, you fell into the trap.
     
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    contentcreation has been permbanned. Other people came forward with issues, apparently he's been running off with multiple peoples money.
     
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  15. OldSalt

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    Thank you Bleemz... such a shame that he would crash his membership here by scamming other members.
     
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    What a loser. Scamming won't be taken easily on BHW :)

    Good one Bleemz, and Oldsalt, you should of known better- but it's okay man! Next time, be more careful. Sorry about the loss of your money.
     
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  17. OldSalt

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    I am happy that neither Logan nor Matthew (the two brothers) responded to the paypal dispute and yesterday afternoon Paypal sided with me. It 'was able to recover $100' and has already sent it towards my bank account which should credit it within the next couple of days.

    So, in the end I just lost some time and effort but recovered the cash.

    What is the most surprising to me is that the $100 US is worth about 64 GBP. That's not even 8 hours of minimum wage there - and he sacrificed a BHW account that was just over a year old with 500+ posts and what was a decent reputation before he screwed it up. I don't know about him, but my account is worth far more to me than that! ;)
     
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    Should always check Itrader just in case of situations like this.

    Also there are enough verified BST's for article writing for you to not put yourself in that position IMO.