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Considering Ditching My Sape Links

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by RichardUK, Sep 9, 2013.

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  1. RichardUK

    RichardUK Registered Member

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    Before anyone gets upset I'm not attacking Sape links saying they've been busted or don't work....what I was going to say is that I have a client and he's been very patient with me, I tried to do the Whitehat method for a long time but he was stressing me out... but he said today he wants to try for a bit longer and I've been getting some good Guest Posts recently... so I'm thinking it might be better for me and for him if I ditch the Sape links because I think it the long run thats not going to helpWe have about 100 or so but I don't think they are really helping at the moment anyway because since I started getting them a month ago we went up from page 4 to page 2 for one keyword and then Google suddenly dropped it back down to 4th.. Plus our Authorship photo recently disappeared for all our pages not long after getting them
     
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    Yes I think it might be wise to ditch them plus it costs a lot. I come here because I respect a lot of the guys who post here, I'm not totally whitehat Matt Cutts ass kissing but I want to play on the side of caution. Just wondered about a second opinion...perhaps you are agreeing that playing the side of caution sometimes helps
     
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    Forgot about longterm, Sape links are not even working short term. In last few weeks, i have also seen many different threads where members mentioned how their site got warnings in GW accounts. Most of them also lost rankings.
     
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    We have about 100 or maybe a bit less Sape links, some on .ru... but only a slight drop in rankings since the update August 21st... then after that drop I got stressed because he was complaining and then I bought the Sape links out of panic but I'm thinking about the long term here. I know some good guys like Tommy who knows his stuff but if my clients being patient with me I should think about the long term.

    Last thing I want is Matt Cutts molesting me with an Unnatural links notice... we had one of those before
     
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    I also must mention that technically they are 'Russian Links' on .ru from another source which I found here. Also I bought some from a site called BuyPR4backlinks.com, I think he gets them elsewhere and resells.
     
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    My worry is that it will look unnatural removing them, but since I think Google might have some way of devaluing them anyway, I don't think it will have too much affect
     
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    Why not go for a White Hat Service With Some Authority?

    Manual Web 2.0s With unique content, or Private Networks with GOOD pa/da - are working great.
     
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    How many networks are truly private though, I like having control. Actually I build my own network but they need more Tier 2 links
     
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    Why are you using SAPE links directly on a client's site? I know if I was a client, I wouldn't want links like those touching my site. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, it does, but it's known that these links will eventually go down, and client's usually have sites they plan to keep for a very long time. I have a bunch of SAPE promoted sites, 75% of them were hit and dropped, but they were sites I didn't really care about.

    For client's, you should have 100% control of every tier 1 link. I recommend setting up a private blog network of sites yourself around your clients niche, and then sending all the links to them. This also protects you because if the client decides not to pay you for a month, you can easily take back control of all your tier 1s and use them for other purposes. Just my opinion.
     
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    Risking your clients site like that mate isnt cool especially considering the crack down lately with Sape.

    If you are gonna go the paid link route atleast do it with a provider that isnt getting deindexed left and right. What would happen if your clients site tanked and got a link penalty? Im sure he wouldn't be happy.

    You need to do some research and find a solid underground link network service and be ready to pay for it. The networks I use charge $300 a month but they get me top rankings. You got to pay to play my brother.

    I would start by making sure that all of the onsite stuff is really dialed in and you are not missing anything. Take another look and do some keyword research to make sure you are targeting the right keywords. Make sure the traffic is converting to his website no sense in ranking and optimizing a site that doesnt convert in the first place.

    Once thats dialed in then reinvestigate the linkbuilding approach. Diversify everything. The types of links the keywords you target the natural links you blend in. Diversify can add a really nice layer of protection that you wouldnt even imagine.
     
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    u need to cleaer ur spae lists and links fro mtime to time, esp when matt tweets about it
     
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    Get rid of them instantly
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  14. RichardUK

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    I said they weren't from Sape.ru.... Sape is a brand name, I said they were from another Russian provider.

    I've requested they are all removed now, one provider is getting rid of them but another is being slow saying he needs my order ID, I gave him to original reports he gave me, I hope hes not going to be awkward over it now... I need to get them removed quick because I haven't got any link warnings yet

    I should be OK if I get rid of these 100 links, I canceled the subscriptions and I haven't done any other popular spam methods

    I haven't got time for arguing with this link provider either because I've had medical problems recently
     
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    If i were you, i will point those not so white links to my tier 1 instead, too dangerous to point to money site.

    But yea, if you get rid of those links, i think that will help.
     
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  16. RichardUK

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    I wasn't using anything too obviously like this prior to about 2 weeks ago but client was stressing me but now hes mellowed out so I'm going to ditch them.... I think it was a bad idea, luckily I won't have hundreds like other people

    As long as I dont get one of those link messages I'll be happy
     
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    Seems like they didn't provide much benefit anyways so you might as well stop paying for the service.

    Try adding the rel=author tag for your clients content. That seemed to boost my rankings a bit
     
  18. RichardUK

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    I got them all taken off, probably about 100 altogether but they didn't seem to help much after 2 weeks anyway, my results just stayed stagnant. There's one .Ru one left and the provider is not replying to my messages now, they said they would all disappear automatically. Maybe it will disappear when the site owner notices Im not paying. I hope.

    Thing is I just saw one keyword, the main one which dropped to page 2 on the 21st of last months update, it just dropped 6 spots on page 3 but then about 30 minutes later I checked again and its back to the same spot on page 2. Maybe Google noticed links got removed but then noticed they weren't that many...I'm hoping I did the right thing here

    we had Authorship but don't get too chirpy about it, we had the photo show for about 5-6 months and it disappeared last week, they do this apparently at random

    Had a bad weekend as well, some ass scraped 5 of my best Youtube videos and reuploaded them, so I filed copyright complaints and his channels got terminated, but then 7 days later 2 of those best videos got 'Age Restricted' as provocative when there is a whole channel with the exact same sort of videos(400 odd) They take Ads off the restricted ones as well, there's some pricks who like damaging other peoples affiliate marketing
     
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    Don't point any risky sites to your customer's money site. I can't believe SEO consultants actually do this still!

    If you are already dropping in rankings suddenly the chances are you have already been hit by the google manual penalty. To confirm this add your customers site to google webmaster tools (make a new webmaster tools account for your customer if they have never used it).

    You can then monitor over the next few weeks to see if google sends you a message.

    In the meantime unsubscribe to all of those networks you belong to.

    My only other advice is that if you are already link building using other methods (besides the purchased links) keep building those links. Stopping all of a sudden will be an even more certain sign to google that you are trying to manipulate PR.

    If after all of this you still see the message from google relating to unnatural links I would recommend going through something like linkdetox to help your clients recover and do a reconsideration request.
     
  20. RichardUK

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    We don't have a Unnatural Links Message and we already have WMT, didn't you read the rest of thread? We don't have any other obviously spammy links, I just bought the Russian Links(not sape.ru) during a period of panic, we haven't dropped far for most terms. I've got all of the Russian Links removed now. I've been doing SEO 6-7 years now

    We don't have hundreds of 'Wiki' links, I don't know why people bother with those because NoFollow links don't count, We don't have thousands of forum links, profile links, blog networks or spammy Pligg links...



    Also with Unnatural Links Message you get the message first and then see the drop after.