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Confused about youtube ranking

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by iManage, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. iManage

    iManage Regular Member

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    Hey guys,
    Lately I've been attempting to rank my videos for a saturated niche for CPA and am having troubles attaining a position on the first page.
    Currently these are my stats for my video:
    247k views
    733 likes/24 dislikes
    Image: http://gyazo.com/2c0c65bffaab66a5d942a5e6147038a8

    ahref report for my video: http://gyazo.com/afa3a7435c8c8ced03b20dac5f8b960e

    My video is currently three months old, upon the first month it was hanging on first page (last few positions), now it has dropped to the bottom half of page 2.

    Another competitor's video on page 1:
    80k views
    411 likes/91 dislikes
    Image: http://gyazo.com/de50342d622ccc0e9e67fd3423b64941

    ahref report for their video: http://gyazo.com/8de056c619e5d9f9a81a1a4703b0b783



    Could someone please provide some sort of reasonable explanation as to how their video is ranking higher than mine with substantially less quantity of ranking factors compared to mine?

    The only reasonable explanation I could come up with is the fact that my video is 1minute long whilst theirs is 12minutes long, and the other videos on page 1 are 3mins+ :(
     
  2. mikederoobs

    mikederoobs Newbie

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    Maybe, Get High Retentiton views. Add some backlinks to it Favorites,Subscribers etc. And it will maybe rank you need High Retention views.
     
  3. iManage

    iManage Regular Member

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    All my views were in fact high retention, an average of 98%
     
  4. mikederoobs

    mikederoobs Newbie

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    Oh, Thats bad. Got skype? Add me Ill send u an pm.
     
  5. Furious George

    Furious George Supreme Member Premium Member

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    You have over three times as many views. I think you should be happy about that.... at least.

    I've noticed that google (and youtube) shows different people sometimes completley different results. Is it possible that others are seeing your video at a higher rank, but you're seeing it lower?
     
  6. iManage

    iManage Regular Member

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    I'm not complaining about the amount of views I have, I am merely just questioning why my video ranking is lower even though it has substantially more views and likes than my competitors.

    It isnt possible that other people see my video at a different rankings as if it were so, I would be getting way more clicks than 6 per day :p
     
  7. KaisGuy

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    Hey mate,

    Thanks for the PM, I'll try my best to help you out here.

    First of all, it's a bit difficult to gauge what is wrong without seeing the following:

    1. Your Video
    2. Your competitor's Video
    3. Your Keyword

    Nevertheless, I will try to add as much value as I can here by adding what I have learned in the past from some great teachers.

    What many people probably do not realize is that the "Onpage SEO" is extremely important when it comes to ranking videos.

    With that being said, let's get into it.

    Video Title and Name

    This isn't particularly difficult or time consuming, but extremely important that you always use each exploit to it's fullest extent.

    So the format you looking for here would be: Video Name / Title that we are uploading - Keyword you are targeting.

    For example, if your keyword is "Internet Security", you would name your video "Internet Security".

    The better and more powerful method would be to do something like this: (again, keeping with our "Internet Security" example)


    "Internet Security Review Internet Security"


    You'll notice something here. If you use the correct "filler" keyword, you can target more than on keyword.


    Now, my video title is optimized to target the following phrases, in the following order...


    1- Internet Security
    2- Internet Security Review
    3- Review Internet Security

    By thinking it through a bit, we are able to get multiple usage out of our title without ever risking that our title will be misunderstood or unclear to Google.

    Video Description

    Your video description needs to be keyword stuffed, relevant to the product, longer than the average description and there is a lot more to it than initially meets the eye.

    For unknown reasons YouTube/Google will sometimes give preference to videos that have the primary keyword first and then the link right after it. So are examples.


    Option 1 - http://www.mydomain.com - My keyword phrase the rest of my description.
    Option 2 - My keyword phrase - http://www.mydomain.com the rest of my description.


    The name of your account matters. This is a big one that most people are blind to. If possible, use your main keyword as your account name.

    Group all of your videos for a specific project into the same account, however, when a product is having really strong sales make an account per keyword so that you can get even more exposure.

    Try to do a direct redirect to the affiliate offer or wherever rather than having them land on a page in your site and click through from there. Obviously I don't know your niche, keywords and target market so this is just as an example.

    For the actual description content, do this:

    With a little tweak YouTube/Google does not give any penalty if your content is not original.


    So what you do is simply go to the sellers webpage (or any page that is product related) and copy a good grip of the text on their page and use it as content for your descriptions.


    So the format is like this:

    1. Your initial couple of lines containing your link and some little call to action
    2. Stripped content from the sellers webpage (or other source)
    3. Another little blurb and call to action on bottom.


    With the ripped content you simply rearrange a little bit by switching places with the paragraphs.

    The last thing you can do is pepper your keywords throughout the ripped content in that middle section.

    Tip:

    If your selected keyword phrase already has videos on page 1, go ahead and strip all of their content and tags from those videos, then merge it all together and run it through a spinner. This makes it so that you are giving Google everything they could possibly ask for, and more. - And you spent seconds to achieve what those other guys likely spent a long time to achieve.

    Video Tags

    YouTube allows any single tag to be a maximum of 30 characters long, and a combined total of all characters (including spaces) in the tags area to be no more than 500.

    For example, here are some tags I could use for "Internet Security Is Essential":


    internetsecurity, internet-security, internetsecurityreview, internet-security-review, internet, is, essential, internet security is essential, etc.

    The more tags you have in your description and tags section means more phrases your video is going to be listed on a page one Google result for. A single video landing a page 1 position on Google for a single keyword phrase is great, but a single video landing 17 Google page 1 positions for 17 different search phrases is even better! 17 is just an example, but you get me - right?

    More tags = more opportunities for more Google page 1 positions.

    The fastest and most powerful way to find more tags, is to do a youtube search for your main keyword, and then use the title of the top 10 videos as tags for your own video.

    Social Proof

    This is where you would get things like:

    1. Views
    2. Likes
    3. Subscribers
    4. Favourites
    5. Comments

    Bear in mind that people aren't stupid. If your video has no likes, no comments, no favourites, yet has 1 million views... that just screams DODGY.

    So make sure, and I believe many people get this wrong, that you have an even spread of all these things for your videos.

    Video Timing

    Most people don't pay a lot of attention to video length, but for some keyword phrases Google and YouTube show preference to videos in a specific length range.


    For example, if the video being displayed on Google is 7:24, and you look in YouTube results and the first 4-5 are ranging between 7:24 and 9:44 for example, yet your own video is only 1:23, and you see other videos listed under those top videos that are mainly shorter times (or longer) than those getting the top results... then delete your existing video (or re-tweak it to go for another search term) and then go add or deduct the appropriate time amount from your video and re-upload and tweak as usual.



    There is no way to know which videos YouTube/Google does this on, so I just use it as a last effort sort of thing.

    Backlinks

    This is not my favourite thing in the world. To be honest, I HATE backlinking with a passion. There is nothing in this world I can think of, personally, that sucks as much as doing backlinking.

    Ok, now that the rant is over... let me share a method I learned not too long ago that's pretty damn powerful.

    This method of backlinking is by far the safest and most effective to me. We already know that Google treats YouTube differently than it treats other sites, and that makes it so that YouTube backlinks carry more weight with Google than virtually any other kind of backlink.

    So, you can simply go create say 5 new YouTube accounts who's account names are keyword targeted to the video you are going to point backlinks at. Then in the profile section of each of those new accounts you will place a link to your target video.

    Note: YouTube made me actually go to a G+ page and put my link in that profile rather than allowing me to post my link in what used to be the YouTube account profile section.

    It's likely that they are rolling this change out so that they can tighten their grip on people in their efforts to completely remove any privacy level from the internet.

    Protect your privacy. Never give them any of your real information.

    They are strangers, and who would trust a stranger with their personal information? YouTube gives do-follow to profile links, so now you have just provided 5 ultra powerful and favored backlinks toward your target video, and this should cause your video to gain your desired positioning.

    You can double this number by logging into a blogger account using the same login credentials you used to login to your youtube account. -

    So, log into those blogger blogs, create a little post, and put a link in their to your target video too. - Now you'll have 5 youtube backlinks, and 5 blogger.com backlinks... awesome!

    If this fails, try some Authority Links. For these backlinks you use a hand full of authority type of backlinks. You can go to fiverr.com and look at the link packages people are offering. For this method you would want to focus on contextual backlinks.

    Anyway, I reckon I have covered most of the basics that people tend to overlook and I really hope it helps you out.

    Report back as I am really curious to see whether any of these helped you out.

    Blessings,

    Ruoall
     
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  8. iManage

    iManage Regular Member

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    A great big thank you to you Ruoall for your amazingly informative post. I will attempt to tweak my video accordingly and see if it changes. Firslty I'm going to re-record another video which is 5minutes long seeing as my other competitors are around 3-4minutes. I'm certain my on-page seo is fine as it adheres to your suggestions but nonetheless, I will competely remove my video and follow your suggestions!

    once again, thanks Ruoall :)
     
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  9. KaisGuy

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    You are most welcome mate and I hope it helps you out a bit.
     
  10. RushingWind

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    How long has it been since the video was uploaded?
     
  11. iManage

    iManage Regular Member

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  12. Wealthy Wisdom

    Wealthy Wisdom Power Member

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    I've definitely noticed that duration of video has a lot to do with how high you rank in some niches. I posted this in another persons thread. I also had that scratch my head moment when some1 with less stats on theirs (meaning less views/likes/subs/comments) ranked higher but I figured it was because there video was 8 minutes long while mine was only 1:46 long.

    My other niche.. I didn't even have to boost it much and I hit first page but it was a longer video (6 minutes) and it outranked a video that was 46 seconds and boosted like hell... I don't do backlinks at all and never have... I will continue doing trial and error to see if the duration is making the most difference right now since most of my videos are under 2:00... Hope it all works out for you.

    Please post some results after you make the changes to see if it improves or not. Thanks bro :)
     
  13. OMGWTFISTHIS

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    I'm not trying to say you should just jump out there and test shit out, but I'm willing to bet that if you send ~500 views a day to your video, it will rank within a week. Draw credits from Hitleap, Vagex, and U2Bviews. This has happened to me numerous times, where I sent 100,000 high retention views to the video, it was ranking super great. (Top 3 for 2,000,000 videos) Then all of a sudden after about 2 weeks, it drops - yet I still have the fucking 100,000 HRV, plus another ~20,000 views from the people that have watched it from being ranked. I simply drip feed some views to it for about 5 days, and it re-ranked. o_O The thing is, you have to constantly have views to your video to rank it. It makes sense, because why would Youtube want to put up a video to rank 1 if it's literally not getting any views, obviously people don't like the video then.

    Keep pushing views to it, and report back! :D