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CNN News - Thieves turn in guy they robbed.

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  1. GreyWolf

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  2. Jonny Quick

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    I'm not jumping onto this whole anti-child pornography bandwagon. I'm too busy representing the "Stay the Fuck Away From My Computer" movement.

    This isn't a story about child porn, this is a story about the kinds of sacrifices government will make with regard to one set of laws, in order to selectively enforce other laws. Yeah, yeah, in this case all the good guys were wearing white hats, and one of the black hats was worse than the other two. So fucking what. This one is easy. What happens when, next time, your accountant, your lawyer, your partner or your neighbor is being investigated for fraudulantly filing his own tax return, and in exchange for immunity from prosecution, he gives them all YOUR tax records?

    I can come up with several different variations on this idea; that the criminal activities of one person is used as a means of leveraging a search of someone else's computer, and it doesn't have to be for something like porn. Who's going to make a case against prosecuting that?

    And that's the toe in the door. Now that they've subverted the right to be protected against unlawful search and seizure by using the illegal activities of people that are not Law Enforcement, how soon is it until they start paying criminals to hack into your computer, looking for evidence that they could not obtain legally, through a warrant from a judge.

    This isn't just talking bullshit either. I'm talking for-real, God-given electronic rights, no less important than the rights that the Founders of the American Experiment were willing to risk life and treasure for. In short, this stuff is worth killing, and worth dying over. And the government isn't going to just "give" you the right to have your electronic information protected. People are going to have to take it, and by force.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5m1A7zoIcc&feature=youtu.be
     
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    imagine if they got got caught taking the cds home after stealing them.. LOL

    50 CDS WTF!!
     
  4. GreyWolf

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    @Jonny Quick - yeah I agree with you that it does bring up other issues regarding how law enforcement deals with things. The reason I brought it up though is just that I thought it was funny that some thieves were so appalled when they found out what they found they felt compelled to take the risk and turn the stuff in to the police.

    I think in this particular case the thieves were just some neighborhood kids that were starting to get off on the wrong path. They broke into someones house and just stole a bunch of CDs rather than stealing other more valuable items they could make more money on.

    I do hope that the police don't just let them off the hook completely because that would be sending the wrong message. These kids, even if they did the right thing by reporting what they found, are definitely on the wrong track if they're breaking into peoples homes and stealing things. Even if they aren't charged with the crime, they should at least be made to attend some type of diversion program. They need to learn that breaking into peoples homes is not acceptable no matter what.
     
  5. flibbertigibbet

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    That was pretty funny....but you have to admit, fucked up. People steal shit all the time. It's kind of commonplace. Having dirty thoughts about little kids and making videos is just wrong though. The police just had to do what it is they're trained to do. Enforce the law and arrest whoever was committing the eviler crime... You're comparing CD's to kiddie porn. Well, really, there's no comparison. I would have done the same thing if I were to cop. You're right though, Greywolf. The kids should at least get community service hours or something.
     
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    They should've waited until he got home and kicked the crap out of him first.
     
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  7. Autumn

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    I have no problem with this scenario. People who exploit children are scum and deserve to be rounded up and shot. Yes, "protect the children" is used as an excuse for a variety of nefarious legal machinations aimed at limiting our rights but I see no problem with this particular scenario. The burglars were being good citizens by reporting the guy, even at risk to themselves, and the police were fulfilling their duties by nailing the dirty fucker.

    If you're doing other dodgy shit then you should be taking measures to protect yourself from random search and seizure and other security intrusions. Whilst your "rights" are an issue worth fighting for, they also shouldn't be an issue because there shouldn't be anything for anyone to find. Most computer criminals get caught because they're fucking dumb, not because of egregious violations of their civil rights by the powers that be.
     
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    So when you can render a totally photo realistic image of a person in a 3D program, will it be illegal to dial in a 10 year old with its clothes off? I know kiddie porn is illegal to prevent the abuse of children, but what if the image was totally artificial? And how would you tell if the 3D model was of 16 year old or an 18 year old?
     
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    I believe that would be classed as illegal in the US. US courts have an extremely broad view of what constitutes KP eg. I believe that if you paste an underage girl's head on a nude adult body then you can end up on the sex offender registry and there is at least one case I can remember where this has happened (to some high school kid). A completely artificial rendering of a person of dubious age would probably have to be tested in court but I wouldn't want to be the one testing it. However that's irrelevant to this particular case because the guy demonstrably had real KP.
     
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    In spite the scenario, I still must admit that I don't like good citizens. Especially if they are thieves.
     
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    this guy should be killed
     
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    scum informing on worse scum - what a world we live in.
     
  13. Jonny Quick

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    More than "dialing in" a kiddie-appearing pornographic image, what happens when someone hides said porn on their bosses (or their enemies', or whatever) computer? Then, an anonymous phone call to the Police and someone is being taken off to jail.

    If I were on a jury, I would never under any circumstances ever convict anyone based on computer evidence for any reason.

    The "Law" understands this; that it is very difficult to prove that electronic data is directly connected with one particular person, and so what they are doing is writing these laws so that you are "responsible" for whatever data is on your computer, whether you actually put it there, or knew it was there, or not. One good example of this is P2P filesharing, where the account holder of the internet service is held liable for whatever illegal filesharing may have happened on their account. 'Course, that would be kind of hard to do if *I* were on the jury, because I know that an unsecured wireless router can allow just anyone to use your internet connection for any reason at all.

    The Law needs you people to stay stupid, in order to repress your activities, and it also needs you to be blinded by some "horror", be it child-porn, "terrorists", or WTC on 9/11 so that they can force you to do (or not do) whatever they want.

    And, given that this is a "blackhat" forum, supposedly populated by people that might be somewhat concerned about government's ability to go digging around in their computer records, I'm amazed at the level of stupidity, and the fact that 100% do not fully agree with all of this.
     
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    You just won the award for most pompous member of BHW. :D You are also sounding dangerously like a child porn apologist. Obviously we have to take these things on a case by case basis and that is what the courts do.

    Digital identity and rights is a non-trivial issue that the courts and society as a whole are still working out. We all have a personal right to privacy but we also have an expectation that sometime our privacy has to be breached for the greater good of the community.

    We don't live in a libertarian society - we agree to a social contract in order to live in a democracy with laws, with the benefits, protections and limitations that that entails.
     
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    More than that, I'm a "I don't give a fuck about child porn-i-gist". Not my kids. Not my people, not my problem and none of my business. <Somewhere>, some child is being abused. <Somewhere else>, <someone> is starving a dog. Somewhere else, someone is starving themselves. <Someone else> is bleeding to death from a gunshot wound. <Someone> today was just told they have inoperable cancer. <Someone else> just died of pneumonia. <Someone> else lost a limb in an accident with a machine.

    Every single day, <something bad> happens to <someone>. And, every day, <someone> shows up in the electronic mass media demanding that we feel sorry for the person they have selected as "Today's Victim", and they have a very long list of reasonable-sounding reasons indicating why we should all agree to do things in a certain way (<someone else's> way), in order to prevent <something bad> from happening to <someone>.

    And, every single day it's a different <someone>. And a different something bad. And a different do something different. Every single day. New person, new thing, new behavior, new law, new rule, new tax, new cause, new charity, new donation, new person in charge of us for a new reason to do something more for someone else.

    And, it's ALWAYS for "someone else".

    Here's what I think:

    Fuck "someone else". They can take care of themselves. I can take care of myself, or, at least I could if I didn't spend so much time and energy having to take care of someone else.

    Someone else sits on their ASS, getting served by people like me all day long. Someone else gets paid more than I do, from the money that I make, in order to have the power to tell me what I can and cannot do.

    Rather than "protecting" someone else, I dream about killing them. Each. And. Every. Day. And, most particularly, I want to kill the someone else that thinks they have the ability to tell me what to do.

    Maybe you might get all worked-up over some social issue or another in order to distract yourself from your own life's problems (and your inability to solve them), but I prefer to pay attention to myself first, those around me second, and make damn sure to understand the difference between "What's my problem", and "None of my business."

    Second, I don't give a fuck what "kind" of a society we live in. This isn't some theoretical discussion in some ivory-towered university, this is a real-time description of real-life events, and one of those "events" is the government's ever-increasing ability to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, with a drooling hoard of cheerleaders celebrating every incremental step towards an authoritarian corporatocracy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy

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    Fuck baby rapers and fuck anyone who doesn't have the balls to stand against it. This is the most disgusting crime in existence. It is a shame we have such weak individuals in our society that will allow others to get away with whatever they want just allowing the cycle to continue.
     
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    IMHO every law ever written could be replaced with a simple statement: "live and let others live". This is how I see things, this is how I always wanted to live. Instead I live in a world of hysteria. Periodically someone gets hysterical about drug usage, gambling, possession of child-porn, etc. And once it gets hysterical it changes its laws to be hysterical also.

    Recently I saw a video of a factory in China, it is very graphical and I urge you to think twice before you watch it. Especially if you have a weak stomach:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLcgxIGTFRs&feature=player_embedded


    In China its legal, in other parts of the world (like USA and Europe) the punishment for such a skinning is much softer than for drugs, gambling and possession of child-porn. And people 'who have the balls to stand against it' are the ones to blame.
     
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    I stand by my original statement, if that means you so be it.
     
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    Lol...that is so damn hilarious..:D
     
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