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Client Promises?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by storm1204, May 29, 2012.

  1. storm1204

    storm1204 Newbie

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    Hello everyone, I was wondering what time frame do you offer your clients in terms of movement and first page. I picked up a new client last week and while most clients are patient with expectations, they are very adamant about movement.

    The domain is 5 years old but until I ran them through had No hands SEO, they had absolutely no backlinks what so ever. Their business name even had a million different companies with the same name or similar domains, but just submitting them put them at number 1. They also have a page rank of zero. I used SeNuke to look at the likelihoods of the keywords they sent and selected some that I can show as proof of movement faster than the 3 more competitive ones that They are choosing, but of course the client said don't focus on any keywords other than what they asked for which is a little weird. She wants top 3 of "G" in 4-6 weeks which to me is highly ambitious, but they are really pushing the issue. The key terms are things like "3d rendering company" and the like.

    What I don't want to do is a bunch of black hat things and she gets dinged fast by "G".

    Is there a good post-penguin method that's being used to help websites that are non-existent in search?

    What type of time frames do you usually promise clients? How the f**k do I explain about the multiple keywords? How effective is getting a second domain name with the keyterm, or part of the key term in it?

    She was referred to me by one of my local seo clients who I got great results fast, but national is different, especially without them having n address they want published online. They operate out of the home so things I usually use on US companies, like submitting to express update won't work in this situation. Plus the WP theme they use isn't the best for SEO. They use Gleam from ElegantThemes, and the home page doesn't have a lot of options for optimization.
     
  2. cloakndagger

    cloakndagger Power Member

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    You ran them through no hands seo and they got to number 1 for company name is that right?

    Anyway you'll need a decent budget and a network sites (not blog networks,satellite site).I'm backing off seo a bit now because the serps are all over the place.
    I cannot see how you can give a timescale,if they are adamant about time scale it might be better cutting them loose.
    The current number #1 for 3d rendering company search g.com has 11k of backlinks,25 301's and is PR3.

    They have the usual youtube,blogspot network links.

    The timescale is way too tight especially given our buddy penguin changes his mind every 18 hours or so.
    With a big budget you may be able to buy a ton of aged,high pr expiring domains,build sites get the content indexed while firing links at them and 301\ use them as satellite sites.No guarantee of ranking in this time scale or keeping rankings though.

    would ditch them,I doubt they would spend what it would take with no guarantees.
     
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  3. storm1204

    storm1204 Newbie

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    Thanks for the advice. I was told never to guarantee a time fame to only say "improvement" and movement. Its also in my contract that I can only optimize and submit but I can't control the search engine rankings.
     
  4. Maja92

    Maja92 Regular Member

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    Hahaha, same with me with a new client I got this past weekend. Owns a spa, operates out of her home. No backlinks at all, and the domain is 7 years old and is no where in Google. Their site is not even a WordPress site, lol. Good old html. :D