Hello everyone, I was wondering what time frame do you offer your clients in terms of movement and first page. I picked up a new client last week and while most clients are patient with expectations, they are very adamant about movement. The domain is 5 years old but until I ran them through had No hands SEO, they had absolutely no backlinks what so ever. Their business name even had a million different companies with the same name or similar domains, but just submitting them put them at number 1. They also have a page rank of zero. I used SeNuke to look at the likelihoods of the keywords they sent and selected some that I can show as proof of movement faster than the 3 more competitive ones that They are choosing, but of course the client said don't focus on any keywords other than what they asked for which is a little weird. She wants top 3 of "G" in 4-6 weeks which to me is highly ambitious, but they are really pushing the issue. The key terms are things like "3d rendering company" and the like. What I don't want to do is a bunch of black hat things and she gets dinged fast by "G". Is there a good post-penguin method that's being used to help websites that are non-existent in search? What type of time frames do you usually promise clients? How the f**k do I explain about the multiple keywords? How effective is getting a second domain name with the keyterm, or part of the key term in it? She was referred to me by one of my local seo clients who I got great results fast, but national is different, especially without them having n address they want published online. They operate out of the home so things I usually use on US companies, like submitting to express update won't work in this situation. Plus the WP theme they use isn't the best for SEO. They use Gleam from ElegantThemes, and the home page doesn't have a lot of options for optimization.