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ClickBank and Email marketing (Questions)

Discussion in 'Clickbank' started by krimoon, Feb 1, 2015.

  1. krimoon

    krimoon Newbie

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    Hello

    I have started to work on ClickBank affiliate system few weeks ago, i was so excited about it and i gave it too much of work and dedication :)

    Now i came to discover new things (issues and tips) i wasn't aware about when i started.

    The most important one is that it doesn't depend only on how hard you work but mostly on how effective is your strategy.

    I have chosen to do email marketing to promote ClickBank offers because i thought it was the easiest way .. but i guess i was pretty wrong

    ANYWAYS

    i have some question and wonders for the people who started before me and who have more experience :


    1- Can you depend on a collected Email list (none opted list) to get a decent conversion and make sales ?


    2- Do you think sending a newsletter to a "1000 to 2000 collected email list (none opted list)" is a waste of time ? Does it have to be more ? if so what is the average ? (i know it depends on the list but i want to know if the number matters)


    3- If you have a none targeted email list (You know nothing about the subscribers) what is the best to do with it ? send general offers ? keep sending offers until you get a decent conversion ?


    4- If you sent an offer to 10k mails but you get nothing but ZEROS what is the most common mistakes that leads to this ?



    Thanks you for reading ... Looking forward for the asnwers :eek:
     
  2. rjd1265

    rjd1265 Regular Member

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    You need a targeted list.

    I know of someone on hear who had a decent landing page and sent 100,000 emails out (via an email marketing company) and he had 100 clicks and no sales.
    Most of those emails are sent to junk accounts or reach the spam box. I have 2 emails...anytime i have to opt in, i use my "dummy" account so i don't have to deal with the autoresponders.

    Your best bet will be to purchase solo ads. they are much more targeted and yielded me good results. The key to a good solo is to have a good auto-responder series set up though so if they don't buy right away you can get them to buy in the near future.

    My average solo ad gets a 44% opt in rate and are targeted leads....

    The best of luck!

    Ryan
     
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  3. natedogg

    natedogg Regular Member

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    Easy answer... ^^^^ like Ryan said... email lists needs to be targeted and you need to build trust with your subscribers. There are people selling solo ads on Facebook that I use once in a while.
     
  4. Teotech

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    Just to add a question for thought as SMTP provider.

    Guess how solo ads providers find these clients :)

    just my 2 cents

    regards
    teo
     
  5. karupoiss

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    Blasting collected emails is waste of time if you don't know what you are doing (I don't know how to do it also). You need to have millions of emails and a lot of money upfront to set everything up so you can send out the mails. It's better to have the list as targeted as possible and try to make the people in your collected list to opt in to your own new, clean list.

    There was a tutorial on how to do it all on bhw but I don't remember who wrote it. Just search something like mass emailing or smth.
     
  6. krimoon

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    My first try was fantastic i sent to 1000 people and i got 190$ right away but the rest of the story was a total fiasco !!

    Anyway

    Even though if your newsletter reaches the Inbox the results may not guarantied .. some people are afraid to click and some others hate the way you invade their inbox etc ...

    I'm totally newbie with solo ads and i want to give it a try, can you refer me to some good providers ?

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    I want to check something with you guys happens with me recently .. trough all the newsletters i sent so far i used to get at least one sale but in past week i have sent several newsletters but i got nothing at all !!!! i don't know whats the matter and my CB account is not banned everything seems normal but the big zero sales !!! any ideas ??
     
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  7. smartboyhere

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    Spamming collected email is like "SHOOTING a DUCK WITH UNLOADED GUN".. Waste of time
     
  8. krimoon

    krimoon Newbie

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    Yes totally waste of time because all the public available emails on the web are already spammed to death..
     
  9. wrxSTi

    wrxSTi Newbie

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    If they didn't give you an email to subscribe to YOUR newsletter, it's spam, and it's against ClickBank's policy. Besides, you'll get no conversions.

    To build a proper list, you should start some informational (micro)niche sites, and have a prominent email list form. You should be sending out well-written updates on new articles and information. After a while, and a few XX,000 or so subscriptions, then you can start sending out your "special offers" and what not.
     
  10. dexxtaa

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    I've got a few thoughts on this.

    1. If you're a noob and you want to learn what the "pros" are doing, simply go add yourself to an expert marker's list, and watch how they handle things.
    2. The money IS in the list and your list should be targeted. It doesnt make sense for a person to join a "lose weight" email list and receive "hair regrowth" emails.
    3. Put yourself in your email list's shoes and dont forget to TEST. Record all your results.
    4. Most people join an email list because they want to fix an issue. Provide value in your list - dont just spam them. Help them out with helpful emails. Every few days you can promote a product, but if you hard-sell them on products every day, you're not going to get many sales period.
    5. Dont spam emails. it simply wont work. Instead, learn how to drive traffic to a landing page, deliver an undeniable offer in exchange for their email (training, checklist, how to video, ebook).

    Learn what the issue your subscribers have and leverage clickbank products to help them solve this issue.
     
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  11. rjd1265

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    Plain and simple....

    1. To make a decent income online you need a list of at least 10,000 - 20,000 active subscribers and send offers and free advice, free guides often...but not so often they get sick of you.

    2. It takes a lot of money...OR a lot of time to build a list this big. If you do Solo Ads you can assume to build a list of 10K it would take about $5,000 on average.....If you do not have money and want to do it the hard way...you will have to build a nice IM informational site with an opt in and get traffic to it via articles, blog post, forum post and so on.


    There is no easy way to do this people..NONE. that is why this business has a 98% failure rate.

    That is why 20% of the IM marketers make 80% of all the money

    That is why forums like this have millions of pages...nobody knows what they are doing and they want to learn

    HERE IS THE UNFORTUNATE THING....

    NOBODY wants to spend any money on the business. All I see on these forums is "What is the cheapest, what is free, I have no money to spend"...then god dammit go do something else!!!

    You will NOT make money in this biz doing it the free way...those days are long gone. the days of writing a few articles and putting them on Ezinearticles.com and making $100 a day are gone.

    If you were to start ANY other business such as a clothing store, taco restaurant, painting company or a roofing company you have to invest in tools and supplies correct? so why would this business be any different?


    The top IM marketers spend money like this:
    1. Email Marketing Software..............................$400 a month (because they have huge list)
    2. Websites.....................................................$1,000 a month (Hosting, domains, website creator/desinger...this is on the cheap end too)
    3. Copywriter...................................................$1,500 a month (to create the copy on their sites, email swipes)
    4. Advertising...................................................$10,000 a month (adwords, bingads, solo ads, JV Notification sites)
    5. Video Creation...............................................$1,500 a month (most have prof. videos on their sites and email videos to their list. if not professional then they pay for the software to create them)

    There is more the Large Im'ers use but this is what I use on a monthly basis (grant it my scale is much smaller at this time, ie my advertising is like $1,500 a month) but I am scaling my business and willing to invest into my business.

    >>I dont expect to make a nice income by using free tools and getting free advise.....

    The best of luck and get off your ass and work and make it happen yall!

    Ryan
     
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  12. krimoon

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    Yeah agree but spending money can't bring you success either if you are not creative ...

    Totally agree if you're not a pro just get out of here !!!
     
  13. rjd1265

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    Not really saying that...you have to start somewhere but jeez everyone here does not want to invest a Nickel in the business.

    I spent over $2,000 in the past 45 days...and Im just a fish in the ocean......
     
  14. krimoon

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    You have to be a PRO to know where and how to invest your money otherwise its gonna be waste
     
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    damn! that was some harsh truths!
     
  16. Freddyjames

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    1: No, unless it is a targeted list.

    2: Yes, it's a waste of time and money. Untargeted lists are useless - go ask Mike Geary and he will tell you the same thing. (One "experiment with an untargeted list" cost him $60k)

    3: Throw it in the bin.

    4: You had an untargeted list.
     
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  17. ChanzGrande

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    It always surprises me when a relatively simple question leads to some valuable content in a thread. There is decent advice above regarding targeted leads. I agree email blast purchases are rarely a winner, but solo ads when you have exactly what the target audience is looking for, that's when you can make decent return on your investment. Absolutely build a list if there is a niche you can easily enter into, and be an expert or high quality provider, but definitely don't buy every lead Tom, Dick, or Harry is getting ready to sell you. If you don't have a huge bankroll, then buy some smaller solo ads. It's mostly about tracking your ROI one way or another.

    Do it!
     
  18. Cajuncaucasian

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    1.If your list is relatively fresh, and you have a good relationship with your list, then yes, you can expect sales. In your case, you mentioned "none opted". I will take this as that you have a list that you did not generate with your own squeeze page. If that is the case, I wouldn't even try. You might make a sale if you're lucky, but in my opinion, it's not worth the time and your email service account.

    2. I just started building a list, and I have less than 100 subscribers. What I like about my list is that it is very targeted towards the niche I am promoting. If you have 1k-2k subscribers, and you want to know if you will make sales, you have to track your traffic. In one solo ad I placed, I received 100 unique visitors. 47 opted-in to my list, and 1 bought my SLO which was a clickbank product with high gravity in my niche. I only made 50% ROI with that solo ad campaign, so i am testing with a lower gravity products now. But to answer your question, using my conversion rate for my list as an example, then yes, sending 1k-2k emails to an untargeted listwould net you 1 sale at most. Gather a targeted list, then try. 1k on your list of targeted leads could bring you around 200 with one broadcast. Note that I mentioned targeted.

    3. In my honest opinion, if you send mail to a non-targeted list, you are wasting your time. You will get your email server account banned, and people will unsubscribe from your list. Unsubscribes=Loss of future profits. But you're talking about free, non targeted lists I assume, so you may not give a shit about that. There will be no decent conversion. You might make a sale if you're lucky, but that might be 20 dollars with a list of 2000. Why focus non-targeted lists if you could make 20 sales from a 2k list with targeted list? With 20 dollars a sale, that is 400 dollars with your targeted list, versus your 20 dollar list, which is probably being sent to the spam box of the list.

    4. The problem is that your list is NOT TARGETED.

    I'm new to this, so don't take everything I say as solid advice. This is just my opinion.
     
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