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So I want to try some churn and burn sites. I've tried pure white hat and I always fail to rank due to my competition throwing sites out and pushing me to page 2 or 3. If I decide to churn and burn I have a few questions

1 - Do I use a brand new domain or an older one?
2 - If an older one,should it have a BL profile or any PR?
3 - What is the best software to use? I have scrapebox and magic submitter. I have heard of GSA GSR(Or something like that). Is this for use to blast sites?
4 - Do you send the blasted sites to the link indexer? I have the links from MS set to drip feed. Obv I cant do this for a blast

Hope you can understand my ramblings! Hope someone can help as white hat getting me nowhere
 
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Iceman1978 said:
1 - Do I use a brand new domain or an older one?
2 - If an older one,should it have a BL profile or any PR?
3 - What is the best software to use? I have scrapebox and magic submitter. I have heard of GSA GSR(Or something like that). Is this for use to blast sites?
4 - Do you send the blasted sites to the link indexer? I have the links from MS set to drip feed. Obv I cant do this for a blast
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Forget whitehat - welcome to where the action is!

1 - any age is good, but not really required
2 - any backlink profile is good, but not really required. Just make SURE it's not penalized already.
3- I don't directly blast spam at my money site, I blast it at 2.0 sites. I buy xrumer blasts, and scrapebox jobs. And, point sape links directly at my money site
4 - I index the spam links, and nothing else

Remember: sape is your friend!

That's what I do, and I think most are the same... but probably dozens of other perfectly legitimate ways of doing it, too :)
 
Don't waste money buying aged domains for this tactic
GSA might work ok if you use the right settings. There were some posts made a couple of days ago that users here put some very decent setting in the comments for. Check them out.
Use a 2nd tier with lower quality link criteria rather than an indexer (that's what I do - and it works great)
Don't do a third tier at all. Third tier is so "2013" move on
- accept that indexing the second tier takes time. Better to suck it up than get penalized before you start.

It sounds like you have active competition in this niche - Accept now that competition WILL hit back - that's churn and burn. 90 days? 6 months, a year if you're FUCKING lucky.

Go into this KNOWING your sites will fall so no QQing when they do.

Make money.

Yes White Hat does not work. Not in the short term, not in the long term, unless you are fuckling lucky - or put thousands of hours into one site - real white hat does not work at all and never really has unless you are an authority site and spend X years gaining that authority before you make a cent
 
Thanks Tony_d.

So I have my money site,I link a few blogs to it and then blast the blogs,social media etc?
And for blasting,do you think magic submitter will be ok? It just seems kind of slow to me
 
Thanks scritty.

Yes white hat is a waste of time. Ive happy to bank till it dies and move on. Even a few weeks or days would suit me fine.
 
Iceman1978 said:
Thanks Tony_d.

So I have my money site,I link a few blogs to it and then blast the blogs,social media etc?
And for blasting,do you think magic submitter will be ok? It just seems kind of slow to me
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Scritty suggested GSA? I don't run my own tools anymore, it's a much better use of my time to order blasts as and when required... so I'm afraid I'm utterly useless to you there :)
 
Thanks for your advice.

So you reckon I should have my money site,link to it from some blogs,social media etc and then blast them? Sorry to sound a bit dumb here its just I have read so much conflicting info. If you blast the blogs etc,wont they rank instead of the money site?
 
tony_d said:
Scritty suggested GSA? I don't run my own tools anymore, it's a much better use of my time to order blasts as and when required... so I'm afraid I'm utterly useless to you there :)
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Not at all,thanks for your advice and help. I think I might just buy some blasts. Im still a bit wet behind the ears with some of the software,so buying at the moment to see how well it works is prob my best bet.
Just on the off chance,do you know if sape allows adult?
 
Scritty said:
Don't waste money buying aged domains for this tactic
GSA might work ok if you use the right settings. There were some posts made a couple of days ago that users here put some very decent setting in the comments for. Check them out.
Use a 2nd tier with lower quality link criteria rather than an indexer (that's what I do - and it works great)
Don't do a third tier at all. Third tier is so "2013" move on
- accept that indexing the second tier takes time. Better to suck it up than get penalized before you start.

It sounds like you have active competition in this niche - Accept now that competition WILL hit back - that's churn and burn. 90 days? 6 months, a year if you're FUCKING lucky.

Go into this KNOWING your sites will fall so no QQing when they do.

Make money.

Yes White Hat does not work. Not in the short term, not in the long term, unless you are fuckling lucky - or put thousands of hours into one site - real white hat does not work at all and never really has unless you are an authority site and spend X years gaining that authority before you make a cent
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Thanks for your advice.

So you reckon I should have my money site,link to it from some blogs,social media etc and then blast them? Sorry to sound a bit dumb here its just I have read so much conflicting info. If you blast the blogs etc,wont they rank instead of the money site?
 
Iceman1978 said:
Just on the off chance,do you know if sape allows adult?
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Maybe? I know they accept pharma, because some of the sites my links come from have pharma links near mine (which doesn't bother me). So, they may well accept adult.
It's far easier to deal with a link seller - go see Tommy with "Speed Rank Reloaded" over in the sales thread here, his packages include Sape and a bunch of other stuff. And he's quite good to deal with!
 
For churn and burn (old-fashioned doorways) you should just create as much sites as possible and hope that some of them will rank for some keywords. The best would be third-level sub-domains on some free blog hostings and similar services, often they have enough trust to rank immediately without suffering from google sandbox for new sites.
 
Aged domains are a waste of time for churn and burn unless you are using them to 301 to your spam site. It is far better to use a fresh domain.
 
Iceman1978 said:
So I want to try some churn and burn sites. I've tried pure white hat and I always fail to rank due to my competition throwing sites out and pushing me to page 2 or 3. If I decide to churn and burn I have a few questions

1 - Do I use a brand new domain or an older one?
2 - If an older one,should it have a BL profile or any PR?
3 - What is the best software to use? I have scrapebox and magic submitter. I have heard of GSA GSR(Or something like that). Is this for use to blast sites?
4 - Do you send the blasted sites to the link indexer? I have the links from MS set to drip feed. Obv I cant do this for a blast

Hope you can understand my ramblings! Hope someone can help as white hat getting me nowhere
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Brand new domain, use blog networks and SAPE.

PS, Sometimes Churn and burn doesn't burn at all ;)
 
I tried this method on a few new domains and had not much luck with it.

I was spamming direct anchors to one, like 4-5 different keywords.
Then doing a bunch of LSI, diverse to another.

The LSI site ranked around page 3-4 or so and then didn't get any higher.

I was using AA gsa lists, but I guess I didn't do it correctly as I didn't see any top positions.

If anyone can post specifics as to what kind of ratios they're using, how many links to achieve, etc.

Thanks.
 
Whats the best earning strategy for churn and burn:

1) Adsense sites
2) CPA Offers
3) Local leads

Thanks,
 
I agree with everyone that is suggesting SAPE, as it is indeed your friend. Churn it just enough, just don't over do it. Your goal is to rank the quickest, and for the longest. However, you might want to sacrifice some quickness for the longevity of your site.
 
WoozyBluff said:
I agree with everyone that is suggesting SAPE, as it is indeed your friend. Churn it just enough, just don't over do it. Your goal is to rank the quickest, and for the longest. However, you might want to sacrifice some quickness for the longevity of your site.
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SAPE... but only if you're buying the links yourself. Why give the resellers a middleman fee?
 
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