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Churn and Burn (DIY or Outsource)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zanekills1, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. zanekills1

    zanekills1 Newbie

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    Hello guys,
    After reading sudo's thread I am very excited to give his method a try. The niche is a product in adult industry, $50 profit margin, money keyword has 18k searches. Building WooCommerce site to sell item myself, I have access to wholesaler who is also competing for this niche in the retail industry with Adwords.)
    Minor setback: Would it be economically viable to outsource SEO or pay for the tools and do it myself?

    New to SEO, would love to learn. Matthew Woodward has some great tutorials. Once I get nice and started would love to post a journey.

    What I believe I need to begin:

    GSA tools (SER, Captcha Breaker, and Indexer) ($256)
    Lindexed or Linklicious ($25/mo)
    30k Verified Links ($37/mo)
    2 hosting accounts ($10/mo)
    3 domains ($30)
    Approx $30 of Captcha service
    1 Unique Article ($5) and 25 Spun Articles ($25) or KONTENT MACHINE 3 ($217)

    Please let me know if there are cheaper solutions, or any tips and advice to move forward.
     
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    mindlesswizard Supreme Member

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    and proxies and a vPS ???
     
  3. zanekills1

    zanekills1 Newbie

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    Proxies ($20)

    Why would I need a VPS for?
     
  4. thebigweb

    thebigweb Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    If you are running GSA SER then you will likely want to leave this running 24/7 which will use a lot of your computers resources. You can pickup a basic Windows VPS for about $20.
     
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    Well if you can afford the initial starting cost, doing it yourself will be cheaper in the long run and you will learn a lot more as you are actually doing it. However it is quite a big time commitment to learn and continually test so make sure you are ready!
     
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    citizenx28 Regular Member

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    There are many VPS provider who already provides GSA and other SEO tools to their customers.
    That way you will be saving money for the tools.
     
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  7. zanekills1

    zanekills1 Newbie

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    VPS sounds like a good idea if it contains GSA tools and other seo tools I mentioned (or close alternatives.)
    Willing to invest in VPS, feel free to post afflinks (or skype me zanekills) with available tools.

    Thank you guys for your help
     
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    Get a Windows VPS and then train someone on the tools, that way they can manage the campaigns for you and send you updated reports.

    I've hired VA's for $1-2/hr to manage these type of tools and campaigns. Keep in mind you will need to be patient with most VA's as they won't know what they are doing with the tools. The more you can prep them and teach them the better and you can have these tools running 24/7 without worrying about them.
     
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  9. zanekills1

    zanekills1 Newbie

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    TropicalSun, I love the idea of outsourcing the work - but I gotta learn to do it myself first! 1-2/hr sounds really cheap when I'm ready to scale and run 100 of these websites. I thank you for the suggestion. I would like to know a resource to find cheap VAs.
     
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    xjackx Regular Member

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    Just 30k for a churn n' burn? You will need that amount DAILY.
     
  11. THUNDERELVI

    THUNDERELVI Elite Member

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    As for your first churn n' burn site I would not recommend an adult keyword, because most sites don't accept adult links.
    Go with another niche/vertical, where you can easily spam with GSA in every platform and make bank!
     
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    Not at all, some people seem to be under the impression that a churn and burn is simply throwing thousands of links a day at a website, it is not. Simply blasting a website with thousands of links a day barely ever works for a churn and burn.
     
  13. zanekills1

    zanekills1 Newbie

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    30k to start up, but I wouldn't mind having the tool scrape content and submit. I think this is a safe product only because it doesn't sound like anything in the adult niche, as well as keywords of choice are SFW. Besides, if I understand correctly, sudo's method was literally "build 250k links daily and let it sit" - I assume he didn't do much keyword work there
     
  14. aoe316

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    Here is my 2 cents and experiance. If you dont have the tools already it will take some time to dig through the crap to find the right way on how to use them. I was one of the newbies who thought he had to have everything to make me better at SEO. Truth is you really should learn and doing everything yourself so that way you can learn from your mistakes. This is not always easy but if you have all the information prior to the tools it will make you that much better in the long run. I wish I would have started by doing most if not everything manually first. But either way just dont give up, you will get "IT" eventually. Google changes things and if your dependent on tools they can become worthless with those changes.
    Knowledge = money
    money= power
    Knowledge is power
    But if I were you and you are getting a vps anyway mind as well get one with tools in your case to see what you like.
    My personal favs:
    Scrapebox
    GSA SER
    GSA Captcha breaker
    zsubmitter (web 2.0 creator)
    deathbycaptcha
    SEO by Yoast
    Market Sammuari (not needed though just use google)
    Google Keyword Planner