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[Case Study] Getting through the new 30 Day Google Sandbox

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sudorank, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. sudorank

    sudorank Power Member

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    So recently, quite a few threads have cropped up talking about a "30 day delay" in new websites rankings.

    Most of us old timers have been here before, back then we called it the Goggle Sandbox and it could take a gargantuan 2 / 3 months to get a site from nowhere to page 1.

    Reasons To Be Cheerful


    • This new delay does in-fact only take 30 days (Proof Underneath)
    • Flow in your back-links nice and smoothly and you should rank sweetly after 30 days
    • This has nothing to do with social signals or any other snake oil you might have been told.

    A Little Proof Of Concept

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    Here is a website I started roughly 1 month ago, So far I have:


    • Built links slowly every day, 2 / 5 a day.
    • Built out a tier 2 / 3.
    • Built a handful of social signals each day.
    • Added 10 pages of content at the start, non added since then.

    Hopefully the graph shows it's own story. It's worth noting that the small amount of traffic received for the first 30 days was for the domain brand name, which has been ranking on and off (Between 5 and 1) for the past 25 days.

    A few days ago, 30 days exactly since the site was first indexed in Google the site did a remarkable thing.


    • Impressions were up 3 times as much.
    • Traffic up 3 times as much too.
    • Site ranking no1 for the brand and on page 2 for it's main money term.

    The great news is that once the shackles come of your new site should be fine and work the exact same as before.I suspect that if I had built a few more links I could have popped out of the 30 day delay at page 1, a nice morning surprise!

    Ranking In The Post 30 Day Delay Era?


    • Churn and Burn is pretty much over, although never say never - when there's a will there's a way and I'm testing as we speak.
    • Parasite SEO still seems to be working, quite a few readers of the Sudo Rank blog have reported success with my Churn & Burn method in the past month.
    • Building a steady volume of links seems to do the trick, I doubt the number matters as-long as it's not erratic or obviously spammy.
    • PBN's still work! It's probably a great time to start clicking the "drip" option when making your next order.

    Busting Some Noob Myths

    One of the annoying things about SEO blogs, forums and the like - is that people don't half talk some bullshit.

    So, it's time to let Sudo bust some noob myths:


    1. The sandbox affects websites not links as some people appear to be stating.
    2. The sandbox looks like it takes 30 days exactly to get out of, not 60, 90 or 7.
    3. PBN sites are not the only ones being affected, my case study site was a tiered link site using GSA SER.
    4. SEO is not dead, it just take 30 days longer than it did last month.

    And Above All

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  2. dnouche

    dnouche Junior Member

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    Nice study. How about a live rank tracking via Serpbook?
     
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  3. Bigzoom01

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    Hope you are right :D. You are confirming it as 30 day. Hope so. Have to wait and see with other peoples data.
     
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    Awesome, I love the way you explain everything and clear out our mistakes. Keep it up and best of luck with your SEO ventures :)
     
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  5. sudorank

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    I'm thinking of doing this for future case studied and setting up a little section of my blog where you can follow everything.

    Will keep you posted! :cool:
     
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    Maybe this isn`t about the site. Maybe the links will take effect +30 days since building those?
     
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  9. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    No worries Mate, just ask a Mod to deal with it. Nice Hat. lol :)
     
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    So your proof that it lasts 30 days is because one of your site took 30 days to rank ?
     
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  12. sudorank

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    The site I ranked would normally take 2 weeks to rank, we're talking pretty easy local keywords and nothing too competitive.

    This isn't the only site it's happening to either, I was a pure sceptic at first but the more actual examples I see / work on the more I'm starting to believe.
     
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    Another theory. It may have happened cause of massive churn&burn. For example the site with zero links have suddenly massive amount of links (may seem "viral effect" for algorithm). In some time after it will burn cause Google understands it`s the spam link profile. Now the links take effect 30+ days cause in this time period it has plenty of time to analyze those when it crawls and finds those? It`s easy to test if anyone has some sites (with content) sitting without any links made. Basically SEO is the same but the end for churn& burn?

    Or this theory which likes me more - no site will rank before Matt comes back from vacation? :)
     
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  14. Baloo23

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    My site is hitting 2 months old (On July 23). I've noticed all the words that are below 1000 monthly searches are in the SERPS top 100 without any backlinks, but words that are 2000 monthly searches and more are nowhere to be found in the serps, despite building backlinks to them. My backlinks haven't hit 30 days old yet, so I'm thinking maybe its related to age of the backlinks as well as that of the domain
     
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  15. Bigzoom01

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    ^^^
    Yeah I kind of beleive that could be a cause while looking at my site. ALl the backlinks are pretty new.
    Or maybe gaining too many high pr DA PA contextual Links too fast puts a newer site in the sandbox. I could be wrong though maybe its all age based and has to do with a website.

    My site is 3 months old I noticed this happen around late June to me. After I bought some high PR PBN links that were placed fast a couple a days out of nowhere. Could be a coincidence. My site is still ranking for many keywords main Keyword is stuck on page 7 (90,000 search volume) and smaller keywords stuck on page 2 (3,000 or below).
     
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  16. ming34

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    Hello i have a new site can you give me some tips on how to get started with seo
     
  17. CraigyDavi

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    Thanks for the information, this helped me out a lot.
     
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    You can't call this a case study, because its not. You base your most of your findings from one website and other that you have seen something similar
    If you usually managed to rank a site under two week and now you need one month doesn't mean its a 30 days sand box...after all the updates google is making harder and harder for new websites to rank it nothing to do with your "30 days sand box".

    If you want to make a proper case study, make a 3-4 new sites and do a case study and record all finding properly.
     
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  19. Knuffel

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    The findings are interesting here, obviously though it's far from conclusive enough to be a full-blown case-study. Still grateful for the share though!
     
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    A few questions:

    So it was an old domain or a fresh domain?
    You started with 4-5 tier 1 links per day?
    What were the monthly search volume of KW's?

    Thanks
     
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