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Can't rank in google using SENuke and other tools

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by echaz, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. echaz

    echaz Regular Member

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    Hey everybody.

    Two weeks ago I created a website optimized to a competitive keyword with almost 30 million google results in broad match. It's a 4 word long tail keyword.

    It's not my first website and usually I get to the first google pages within a few days. But I'm struggling with this one.

    On the first three days when I created the website I used different free tools which I've found here. For example the statblaster. Furthermore I have SENuke and used all nukes.

    Now more than two weeks have passed and I am not ranked for any keyword. Nevertheless when I type in my domain in google I can see that my website is indexed.

    So what could this be? It can not be the sandbox because my site is indexed, can it?
     
  2. cheeseman182

    cheeseman182 Newbie

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    so, your not on any page with your targeted keywords?
     
  3. echaz

    echaz Regular Member

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    nope.. not a single keyword.. just my url is indexed
     
  4. TopHat777

    TopHat777 Junior Member

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    It sounds to me as if you're competing in a market that is too competitive, and your site is simply not established enough to create an impact. I'm sure it is possible to have your site indexed without ranking in any keywords. As far as the tools you mentioned - I would try using them with another less competitive keyword before you judge their effectiveness. Although I am not completely sure, at the moment I would not exclude the possibility of your site being sandboxed or penalized in some way. One thing I am absolutely sure about is -time will most definitely reveal the answer to all of your questions... if you are paying attention.
     
  5. fujing

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    I agree with TopHat777, some niches are very difficult to rank for. I tried entering the weight loss niche before and even long tail keywords are very competitive. After lots of link building I gave up because the time and effort needed was just not worth it. On the flip side some niches require minimal effort to get top rankings, often only needing a few social bookmarks and a nice keyword domain to get on the first page easily.
     
  6. Biscut

    Biscut Regular Member

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    I agree with the others in that it sounds very competitive. Plus you've only been up for about 2 weeks.

    How many competing pages are shown in quotes? (ex. "fast weight loss tips")
    If the competition is still high then that could be the problem. You may need to try and refine your keywords to something less cometitive.
     
  7. lanta99

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    Agree. 2 Weeks is definitely not enough time. Keep building backlinks consistently and you definitely need to check out if the competition is too much for you.
     
  8. jls1985

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    Of course Google will be surprised how on earth you can go top when your website is up and live for only 2 weeks. Others takes months and even years to reach the top. I think you must take things slowly or choose another keyword to optimized with and see how things go.
     
  9. xplicit

    xplicit BANNED BANNED

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    I feel your pain, I have also used all the good programs out there and cant get in the top 1000 for a keyword phrase with only 1,870,000 results.

    It keeps popping in and out around the 600 range. It will pop in around 641 for a day, then disappears. So I feel your pain.
     
  10. blackhat.mmm

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    30 million results? Yeah, I'd go after a bit longer-tail keyword that is between 50-100k
    competing results (for the exact phrase match in double-quotes: "keyword").

    And you said 'used' quite a few times up there. Did you mean that two weeks
    ago you 'used' SEnuke and the others and then have been sitting there for
    the past 13 days waiting to take over the whole first page, or...?

    I mean, have you been using SEnuke (every single module) every day for 2 weeks
    and you still haven't seen any results? You should at least be seeing your
    bookmarks flash up on the first couple pages of your keywords' search results,
    maybe not against 30 million pages of competition , but still....

    Also, try bookmarking your bookmarks. Jumptags, Digg (obv), technorati, mister-wong,
    and Mixx are my favorites to use for that purpose (ex: Digg your jumptags, etc.).
    Sometimes my jumptags will stay up there for months, but usually
    (if fact, every time you do it--meaning, do it more than once if you
    want to see this happen more than once) the BM being BMd will flash the
    first page for a few days and then fall off the map shortly thereafter. But hey,
    you got your 'quick' results, right? ;)

    OK, when you say 'I created a website', does that mean you bought a
    DOTinfo or a DOTcom and built it up from scratch (which could take 60-90
    days to even start showing up on the first 10 pages when your competition
    is that thick) or do you mean that you built up a Squidoo lens or a Blogger
    site or some other Web 2.0 site (these will rank much faster for obv reasons)?

    Anyway, if you're using SEnuke correctly (not spamming out the same looking
    pages and same exact anchored keywords), and your competition is at or
    less than 100k, and then using the BMing module within SEnuke consistently
    and mixing in other relavent sites (that aren't yours) so that the BMing accounts
    that you're using don't look like a spam factory, then you'll take over that
    keyword--30 days approx if you use a Squidoo/Blogger/Vox/w/e Web 2.0 site;
    60-90+ days appox if you're using your own domain with no prior reputation.

    Oh yeah, and make sure you ping every single url you create within SEnuke!
    Just pretend pinging is like brushing your sites' teeth: 2-3 times a day :D





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  11. lonojoe

    lonojoe Junior Member

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    You are doing enough offpage optimization, check whether you are keeping pace with onpage also, dont leave onpage, it is as important as offpage is.

    If an engineer comes and see a plan, if its too difficult for him to understand, he will through it away or backoff with that. Same thing to Spiders, spiders will not backoff as it is a program, it would be great if you edit your site in the best way so the spider understand with ease. This is just a simili....

    All the best :)
     
  12. nodoubtgq79

    nodoubtgq79 Junior Member

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    there's a lot of answers you need to provide before anyone can give you any feedback

    1. is this a 3rd party site or your own domain?

    2. what is the TLD?

    3. is this the first time the domain was registered?
    a) if yes, then how long ago was it registered?
    b) if yes, how long ago was it first archived
    ....MAYBE the site was banned by google before because of prior owner

    4. are you blocking the bots on robots.txt or meta tag?
    (trust me ...people do this a lot)

    5. how many pages do you have up?
    6. do you have a sitemap?
    7. did you verify with Google WMT?
    8. Did you submit xml to Google WMT and Yahoo Site Explorer and Bing Webmaster?
    9. Does it have an rss feed? did you autoping it ?
    10. did you submit your feed to a million directories?

    11. Do you have the EXACT MATCH keyword in your title tag? H1? in the content? at the footer with a link back to the homepage with anchor text?

    12. are you backlinks nofollow or ****************?

    13. are you doing VARIATIONS on anchor text or Exact Match ALL THE TIME?

    the list goes on.....
     
  13. nodoubtgq79

    nodoubtgq79 Junior Member

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    there's a lot of answers you need to provide before anyone can give you any feedback

    1. is this a 3rd party site or your own domain?

    2. what is the TLD?

    3. is this the first time the domain was registered?
    a) if yes, then how long ago was it registered?
    b) if yes, how long ago was it first archived
    ....MAYBE the site was banned by google before because of prior owner

    4. are you blocking the bots on robots.txt or meta tag?
    (trust me ...people do this a lot)

    5. how many pages do you have up?
    6. do you have a sitemap?
    7. did you verify with Google WMT?
    8. Did you submit xml to Google WMT and Yahoo Site Explorer and Bing Webmaster?
    9. Does it have an rss feed? did you autoping it ?
    10. did you submit your feed to a million directories?

    11. Do you have the EXACT MATCH keyword in your title tag? H1? in the content? at the footer with a link back to the homepage with anchor text?

    12. are you backlinks no follow or do follow?

    13. are you doing VARIATIONS on anchor text or Exact Match ALL THE TIME?

    the list goes on.....
     
  14. echaz

    echaz Regular Member

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    wow guys, seriously thank you forthis great response! I'l try to answer all the questions, I think a good way to do that would be to answer the points from nodoubt:

    So, at first, I used the statblaster tool and other similar programs only once a few days after creating the website (I think it was 2 days after). Since then I only used SENuke to promote my website, but I used every single module with different spinner articles and created always new accounts for each site. I'm using SENuke almost every day! As I said with different articles and accounts.

    That website is not my first one, but I thought I'd create a website about a niche which is much more competitive but also much more profitable. I created already dozens of sites on different niches before. My keywords were always below 100k competition in google but that wasn't hard for me to rank for.. I always ended up in the first page of google after only 2 -3 weeks.

    My website is a wordpress blog, updated every two days with unqiue articles. Now I have 10 posts on my blog, every post unique. The domain is a new one, it is an .org domain. The domain name is the keyword itself. I registered the domain on the same day when I started the project. So approximately two weeks ago.

    I don't block robots or meta tags.

    I'm using several plugins like the google xml plugin and the all in one seo plugin for SEO. I've also registered my domain to google, yahoo and bing webmaster tools. I also submitted my xml to those search engines.

    I have an rss feed and submitted it with senuke to approximately. 25 rss sites.

    I have my exact keyword in the title of every post I make, as well as in the articles itself. Furthermore I use the keyword as anchor text which forwards to the affiliate product. And I'm also doing variations of the anchor text.


    So I guess in general I did a good job, it just takes more time to rank for such a competitive keyword, right?

    And again, thank you for your help guys! I really appreciate that!
     
  15. zapprentice

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    look at exact counts for whatever you are targeting.
     
  16. nodoubtgq79

    nodoubtgq79 Junior Member

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    echaz it's a good start

    i had a friend that couldn't get on page 1 for any keyword because he had some plugin creating duplicate content

    do a
    site:domain.com to see what comes up

    do a
    www.whois.sc/domain.com just in case it was registered before

    i have purchased domains before that the whois told me it was 2yrs old....and i check it now and it's 10yrs old (check on more than 1 whois)


    from here it would be hard to say unless you pm'ed us your site

    competion means nothing....you should AT LEAST show up in the top 1000 within 1month max
     
  17. nodoubtgq79

    nodoubtgq79 Junior Member

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    one more thing

    i never had a problem ranking a site but i use high quality links

    not sure how good the links are from senuke

    MOST of statblaster links are NOFOLLOW
     
  18. blackhat.mmm

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    @ nodoubtgq79:

    SEnuke uses links from:

    Web 2.0 (mostly D0Follow + Article Directories)
    Hubpages
    Zimbio
    Wikispaces
    Google sites (knol, YouTube, etc.)
    Wetpaint
    Wordpress
    GoArticles
    Quizilla
    EzineArticles
    MSN Spaces
    Tripod
    Webs.com
    Vox
    LiveJournal
    Xanga
    Blog.com
    Ning
    Friendster
    Jimdo
    Zoho
    Gather
    OnSugar
    Blogetery
    EasyJournal
    Nexo
    AtWiki
    ZoomGroups
    ZoomShare
    Insane Journal
    Terapad
    DiaryLand
    Thoughts
    SOS Blog
    Bravejournal
    Typepad
    Edublogs
    Blogher
    21Publish
    Article Dashboard
    iSnare
    Articles Base
    Article Alley
    Article Click
    Amazines
    Easy Articles
    Carolina Articles
    Article Pool

    Video
    Blip.tv
    Bofunk
    Flurl
    LiveVideo
    Multiply
    FlickLife
    FunMansion
    VSocial

    BMs
    Linkagogo
    Mister-wong
    Buddymarks
    Corank
    A1-Webmarks
    Bookmark Tracker
    Diigo
    MyPIP
    Digg
    Propeller
    BMAccess
    Mixx
    Connotea
    Searchles
    Igooi
    SiteSays
    Blinklist
    Bookmark Sync
    DZone
    Faves
    Folkd
    HealthRanker
    LinkOrganizer
    Megite.com
    Mika-zoe.com
    Mobleo.com
    Netflav.com
    Qiel.com


    RSS
    Feedage
    Feedraider
    Feedest
    RSSMountain
    Feedagg


    Plus a 'Profile Nuke' with about 35-40 D0Follow Web 2.0 sites ranging from PR5-PR8.


    @ echaz thx for the detailed response. It sounds like you've done this before
    and I'm not trying to teach you anything--you could certainly teach me a thing
    or two--but you said that your anchor text is your keyword (which you're mixing
    up and doing variations of), your .org includes the keyword in the domain name,
    but you're direct linking to your aff page off of the offsite articles/posts/BMs?

    May I ask why?

    Unless the landing page is lights-out why wouldn't you want to use a Web 2.0
    landing page and/or maybe your .org? Maybe I misunderstood you and you
    are funneling the traffic thru your .org, but even if you did decide to go with say,
    a Squidoo landing page directed at your blog for the first 60 days or so, you'd
    prob rank that Squidoo site more quickly than your blog, right? Then you could
    split test Squidoo/LP to aff LP and Squidoo/LP to blog to aff LP.

    Also, try taking over (like first-two-pages-taking-over) a bunch of niche-related
    100-150k or less (exact phrase match) keywords with your blog+articles(UAW
    works)+Bookmarks, etc and then see if you move more quickly through the
    30-MIL keyword's ranks.

    Just a thought....

    Good to see someone else who's working. Keep it up...! :)




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  19. Don Carlito

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    Just try to get more anchor text backlinks, you will see good results :)
     
  20. nodoubtgq79

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    ooops i missed that


    i always use EXACT MATCH anchor text

    if you use variations it will take LONGER for you to rank for a particular keyword

    it's important that you use EXACT MATCH anchor text

    don't believe the myth that says Google will penalize you for doing so.
    I rank for a lot of sites on page 1 that mostly have exact match anchor text

    The link counts as 2 votes
    1. for the link
    2. for the anchor text

    I get a lot of hits for differen tkeywords that i never built a backlink for