Hey you fellow Black hatters. We get called all sorts of names on other forums (sniff, sniff) , and are hated by the big G and other SE's. But can they really blame us. I had 2 nice little White hat sites, which I had painstakingly built the "legal" way, and created backlinks and worked on WH SEO techniques, and managed to get these sites on page 1 and 2 of the big G for related keys. GUESS WHAT ? yip - overnight my sites are gone . So for me its going to be "welcome to the dark side" from now on. rant f*&%king rave etc. I feel better now.