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can someone recommend cloud computing services pay per hr that do not throttle CPU usage?

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  1. HerpDerpSlerp

    HerpDerpSlerp Power Member

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    Been renting cloud VPS from multiple companies but I notice they all throttle their CPU's to 25% load or so. I need 100% load. I guess with a VPS that is not plausible but there has to be an answer somewhere.

    I tried
    amazon AWS
    digital ocean
    Linode VPS

    I need the ability to run Ubuntu 13.10 64x or Windows server 2012
    Ability to create snapshot images
    rent by the hour (if possible) willing to pay up to 1$ PPH
    No throttling of CPU usage
    Lots of CPU power

    I understand that I should use a dedicated server. Looking for Dual Intel Xeon L5639 chips around 100$ a month or so.

    If anyone out there can refer me that would be great. I am willing to use referral links as well.
     
  2. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    The problem is that no cloud hosting will ever give you 100% of their cpu, I MEAN NEVER.
    Disk space and RAM are easier to split into parts and keep them separate from each other and easy to increase as well. However, when it comes to getting 100% of the cpu then the closest you can get to that is by buying one of their biggest instances/droplets/vps(since the bigger the instance/droplet/vps the higher chance of being run on as a whole server).

    For DigitalOcean if you check their FAQ's they clearly said that their servers are 24 cores(2 hex cores of somewhere 2-3ghz per core) with ram of 32gb-64gb ram on each server.

    Now, they do have droplets that are bigger than that so am guessing they have upgraded to bigger instances(but not many use any droplets bigger than 64gb unless is for a inmemory database or something where ram is a huge factor).

    The only provider that was actually offering a price based on cpu usage was google app engine. However, they switched to instance based pricing from their old model, so they no longer offer
    So with that in mind, you should be looking at getting the High CPU instances that Amazon Web Services offers or Joyent.

    By the way, what exactly are you looking to run?
    May I give you an advice? I wouldn't run Windows machines on the cloud instances straight because you would be paying licensing fees. Get a Linux box and then just run windows on a virtualbox.
     
  3. HerpDerpSlerp

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    I am mining new and upcoming ALTcoins. Currently I am running the best droplet that DigitalOcean has which is 8CPU's at 0.238 per hour. but they throttle me around 15%. Right now I am scoring 65% CPU usage. With AWS I am using c1.xlarge bidding at .20 per hour

    Both running the linux ver I mentioned earlier.

    Working with CloudShards and they can offer me the OS and the Chips at 90$ a month. I think I will go for that
     
  4. JustUs

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    Have you thought about having your own hardware hosted in a data center? Some services, such as Xmission, C7 Data, and Siteground will host your hardware in their data centers. This places your hardware on the cloud, but you are responsible for any breakdowns of your hardware. Of course they will also be happy to sell you a maintenance plan as well, but you will have to reimburse them for any parts replaced.
     
  5. Patel

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    Try mediatemple.com

    I believe they dont put a cap on cpu usage
     
  6. HerpDerpSlerp

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    This I will be looking into for sure. My issue was resolved though. Cloudshards built me a custom box with the exact specifications I need for only 90$ month. Dedicated too. Any new ALTcoin that shows up on the market I can easily mine 1000's of the coins and sit on them. 99% of the LTC clones will whither and die out but some will create enough hype (like dogecoin) make it to the market and I will bank. I will be also trading these coins for BTC and LTC either on a market or peer to peer on trusted websites.

    These boxes are not viable most coins but will be a super power for solo mining.
    Box will take 3 days to build. Excellent price, excellent customer service. I AM PUMPED

    Thanks but they do no list their CPU's that I can tell. I think they are mostly for mom and pop websites
     
  7. YouFeelMeDawg?

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    I wouldn't pay 20 cents per hour on the c1.xlarge, because you are not getting the best performance for your buck. I constantly use the c1.medium which is just 1/4 the size of the c1.xlarge, but I pay cheaper than what you are paying for your c1.xlarge (if you compare the pricing on 4 instances medium vs 1 xl)

    This is what you should do.

    The c1.medium is actually much better because as I can guess you are paying 20 cents on the c1.xlarge based on the spot instances(since the ongoing price is 58 cents per hour)

    So with the spot instance price you are getting around 66% off which you are paying 1/3 of what the actual going rate is.
    On the c1.medium instances I was paying as low as 1.8 cents each and as high as 2.8, very few times I was paying up to 4.5 cents per hour and almost never 5 cents or more.

    The western regions always start around I think 2.5 cents per c1.medium instance, on the eastern region they always start around 1.8 cents. However, the bitch here is that the price flunctuates a lot more in the eastern region instances that the price of 1.8 cents is not really as long as the price of 2.5 cents.

    Now, it is important to notice the limits here on the instances you can fire on the spot instances.If you check their FAQ, you can launch 100 spot instances per region on the lower specs instances, and 20 on the bigger ones.

    So 100 instances times 8 regions, that is a maximum of 800 instances before you have to call in and get permission to run more instances.Unfortunately the c1.xlarge is part of their 20 spot instances limit . Thus, allowing you to run a maximum of 20 instances per limit which is equal around 80 instances of c1.medium, while the c1.medium instance you can run a maximum of 100 spot instances so you get 20% more power if you go with the smaller instances.

    The price also flunctuates a lot more on the very small instances like the micro and the bigger instances. Also, don't go for the medium, small, or large instances those are the most in demand so you hardly ever get a discount on the spot instances( you probably only get 40-66% off at most).

    With the c1.medium instances I was paying as low as 1/8 of the actual price of the going on-demand price.
    For your needs, what I would recommend is that you take advantage of amazon spot instances the smart way. Since those fuckers have some gay shit where the price could spiked up to 100000000% percent, basically paying like up to 1000 dollars per hour on some instances , you have to remember that you need something that queries the current going price of the spot going prices so you can reduce your costs.

    I was using Iron.io IronWorker to run a task every 5 mins when I was running a lot of c1.medium instances so I can get the price of the going current prices and decide which region was the cheapest at the current moment to launch my instances. However, I never really used more than 30 instnaces at the time, I had plan to use like 300 but never got the change yet.

    The High CPU instances are perfect to run browsers, I was running a bunch of docker containers with firefox/chrome installed with a virtual display like xvfb.
     
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  8. SPQR

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    I believe that HostWinds is great for this.
     
  9. HerpDerpSlerp

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    ^^ well fuck. This is why we need the rep system back. That makes so much damn sense. I am going to try that tomorrow and see what I can accomplish. Thank you very much

    EDIT: in response to youfeelmedawg?

    Hostwinds is not for CPU Crypto-mining. That is for sure. That would be like trying to use hostgator haha. THanks for the responses none the less
     
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    Oh, I see. I just skimmed through and was assuming that you were talking about needing a general purpose VPS. I know that Butterfly Labs is renting out space, but I am sure that it is all sold out. Check into it. Also, I doubt that CPU mining will get you anywhere nowadays.
     
  11. JustUs

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    While not doing what you are, it would seem to me that having your hardware hosted might actually be the better solution. A medium grade Xeon core with four or five high end Nvidia GPU's would create a nasty dedicated box. Jump the GPU's up to eight and you would have one of the higher end dedicated boxes that are sold on the market.
     
  12. HerpDerpSlerp

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    Ill check out butterfly labs. Also there is still plently of room for CPU mining if you know where to look. I am not looking for bitcoin

    Will look into it. THANKS!
     
  13. akacash

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    The short answer is "no". Your premiss isn't terrible, but you hardware selection is. Nvidia, while being a great graphics card for gamers, is pretty shitty for mining. Skimp on the CPU, as you're not getting anywhere CPU mining, unless you catch a coin in the first few hours it's released.

    I know you were talking about alt coins, but you may want to give this a look. https://cex.io/ is an off-site hosting solution for mining, and it's the only one I've seen so far that really makes any sense. If you plan on messing with this long term though, just build a cheap box. For what you'll spend in hosting, you could build a cheap rig much easier, and cheaper. That's what I just did :)
     
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  14. HerpDerpSlerp

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    Thanks for the response. I am not a huge guru with mining coins although I can clearly see the potential and the hype so trying to bank off it. I have an account with CEX but it won't allow me to mine most of any ALTcoin. Just the major players so you are banking on a + price fluctuation on an already stable (for the most part) coin. I could technically mine the hardcoins and use coin-e to trade them to the smaller coins like feathercoin though but that would defeat the purpose of what I am really trying to accomplish

    BTC (Sha-256)
    LTC (Stratum)
    NMC (something to do with BTC mining)

    ^^All these players are original. All the other [name]coin are just LTC scrypt clones and anyone with 100$ and a computer can make. I just want to jump on the "hype" of *coin while the majority have no idea what they are talking about and then dump them all. That is the plan anyway as what I know I only really learned in the last few months.

    I have the capital, but not enough knowledge to dive into expensive hardware just yet. I am just nickle and diming while learning this process. Hell this time last week I knew nothing about SSH and shell. I am more of an FTP /cpanel guy.

    There is a guy i met here that helps me along the way when I get stuck which helps. But yeah I am telling you guys get on the digital currency train. it is never too late to find an angle to make a few dollars.

    Thanks for all the help and if I get lucky and nail something ill give you all presents :)
     
  15. akacash

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    Lol, I'm in the same boat man. I fell into a rabbit hole and still haven't totally crawled out yet. On the bright side I self-taught myself a ton about this. Basically there's 3 different algorithm's, Sha-256, Scrypt, and Quark. The first 2 I know a good deal about, the last one, nothing. The only thing I know about Quark is that it's supposed to be CPU mining only, and I'm not even 100% on that to be honest. Bitcoin, and Namecoin (NMC) are both sha-256 coins, while Litecoin, Dogecoin, and Feathercoin would be scrypt coins. The big difference at the moment is the technology behind them. BTC has been overran with ASIC's making it almost impossible to use regular computing equipment like before. The good news though, scrypt ASIC's are nothing more than rumors at the moment. Because of the way scrypt is works, it's never going to be nearly as efficient, and there's not going to be the huge leap like there was with ASIC's and BTC. That's why mining those is still very feasible.

    There's 100 different factors to take into account, but people are just naive or regurgitating some BS they heard from someone else if they say that you can't mine now. I built a little computer last week that didn't cost me a ton, can still be used for other things, and is currently mining plenty of coins for me. When you factor in that some of these coins will catch on and raise in value it only makes it more possible. For instance, Dogecoin just saw a nice 25-30% jump in exchange rates with BTC the last day or two and plenty more room to grow. If you create a proper plan, there's no reason you can't jump in still and see a return, just be realistic in your goals and assumptions on what to expect.
     
  16. JustUs

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    Because mining is not my game, could you entertain me as to why Nvidia is a poor option for mining? I have been using the CUDA cores for mathematical solutions for some time. While the RISC architecture that Nvidia uses has some *special* issues, such as floating point, that a person has to deal with there are so may cores (shaders) available that running in parallel the GPU minces a CPU. In fact the major bottleneck is the bus bandwidth.

    I did look up some of the dedicated boxes that can do 2.1 gig/hashes/sec(there is some confusion here as my readin was that this number is faster than the 600 GH of the Butterfly). They all use the ATI Radeon Saphire. However, when I look on Toms Hardware, with the exception of two games, the Nvidia 680 holds it own, and out performs the Saphire in everthing but those two games (Batman: Arkham City and Diablo III) , and in several games the Nvidia 560 out performs both the Saphire 7970 and the Nvidia 680.

    When it comes to cloud hosting for what you are doing, there is an Icelandic firm that specializes in mining that rents out servers for $999 per year. That firm is also expanding to the US and will host in Dallas on one of the major pipelines. You might want to look into Cloud Hashing (https://cloudhashing.com/). This outside of my area of knowledge and only academic for me. I was really amused to find that these boxes have roughly 4,500 times the power of the new NSA data center in Draper, Ut.

    I do suspect that the dedicated boxes are only running a custom SMP compilation of Linux, but not having one of the boxes, I am speaking out the side of my neck.

    Most of the information I am relating came from research into this article: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/12/21/into-the-bitcoin-mines/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
     
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  17. jazzc

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    So, you are essentially betting on altcoins shotgun style. And why not just buy altcoins once they appear dirt cheap instead of getting into all the trouble of mining yourself?
    The only thing I see as a better opportunity is if you are pre-mining, but that 's a totally different game.
     
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  18. HerpDerpSlerp

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    I am doing that too. What I am trying to gain traction with is when someone launches an alt-coin on bitcointalk (for example) some scrypt kiddie decides to launch peniscoin and gets people to mine. I jump on the wagon during free giveaways and when mining is super easy. Collect as many coins as possible BEFORE they are on any markets (like e-coin). Store them locally and if one takes off

    This is a learning curve and my strategy has changed a little. I found some value with cex.io when I did some digging around and dumped a chunk of coin in that.

    Dogecoin for example is valued at $0.0007308. If I had of mined that from the beginning I would easily have had hundreds of thousands of coins before it exploded.

    You are right this is a shotgun strat but at the same time I am "taking action" as many people say in threads. I am learning a great deal about crypto-currency, learning from mistakes and fine tuning what works. Once crypto-currency matures on the net I want to be on top of it.

    Who knows. Something might get bigger than bitcoin and I want to be ready.
    Think I am crazy? Nobody thought anyone could get bigger than microsoft. *POOF* Google. ;)

    thanks for the responses people.
     
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  19. Patel

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    ^^
    A week ago I was saying dogecoin would die, but it seems like its rallying.

    From the start that coin was destined to have a large initial hype because of the big trend that follows it on Reddit, but I am surprised that its rallying pretty nicely for the past few days. Still lower than last month though, but its close.

    But if something does get bigger than Bitcoin, it sure won't be a fork of it. It will be something with new code.
     
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  20. jazzc

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    It will have to solve a big problem would not be able to.