Are you retarded?
calling out Max bounty
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Are you retarded?
MrE
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Sorry but I am siding with MaxBounty & Steve on this one.
Based on the evidence provided it sounds like the OP was filling offers himself in which case he deserves a ban. Same IP blocks = proxies.
He did a shitty job covering his tracks and he got angry when he was 1 UP'ed by MB. That is the game gentlemen, when you get outplayed don't complain, come back better and fix your errors.
Based on the evidence provided it sounds like the OP was filling offers himself in which case he deserves a ban. Same IP blocks = proxies.
He did a shitty job covering his tracks and he got angry when he was 1 UP'ed by MB. That is the game gentlemen, when you get outplayed don't complain, come back better and fix your errors.
ultimategamechain
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This is really part of the game. Thats why you don't put your eggs in one basket (this is for the noobs)
So as you can see even big companies like Go0gle will cheat you out. So the lesson here to those who are new in IM is that when your earning a decent amount of $$ from one network move to the next one and so on a so forth. The reason is that when things gets shaky you dont starve and become homeless:rippedhan
So as you can see even big companies like Go0gle will cheat you out. So the lesson here to those who are new in IM is that when your earning a decent amount of $$ from one network move to the next one and so on a so forth. The reason is that when things gets shaky you dont starve and become homeless:rippedhan
d4l1t0s
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Let's assume that Jason an Amanda are filling up the surveys themselves .
Now why didn't they got banned from the beginning . Maxbounty TOS clearly state that Fraud is not allowed and Fraud=Ban .
Plus, even if their leads are fraudulent , does that explain why MaxSteve is insulting Chinese and Asian people .
And for your info SteveMax , Jason and Amanda are from Texas , I talked with Jason on Skype and he is an American with a Texan accent
And if you can clear how you did check their accounts ( Amanda Account) , I will call you SuperMAn lol . I mean stating that they real name can not be Jason and Amanda , and Amanda is saying that the account is hers . There is only two options here :
Either , Amanda is lying which I REALLY doubt .
Or , SteveMax you are some super mind blowing person to check someone's account without knowing his real name or email address .
And if you did check her account , I guess you saw that the name in their is AMANDA , which lead us back to you lying and we can add that on your beautiful statement of '' we don't shave leads'' .
Bottom line : You guys just lost your reputation in here and by '' in here'' I mean the biggest place where Netpreneurs and business men meet and make things happen .
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very interesting, Maxbounty in shit list ! i am sure a fair share of revenue comes from bhw.
I appreciate the fact that maxsteve came to defend and clarify OPs statement.
That being said i didn't like the way steve spoke out here. Just coz the OP started this thread you banned him from your network , why ? so if he had not put his thread and kept going probably he could have continued with what he was doing and you would continue the shave.
The facts steve said might be right but i dont agree you banning him just coz he started this discussion.
PS: i like Chinese food, am i eligible to join your network .
I appreciate the fact that maxsteve came to defend and clarify OPs statement.
That being said i didn't like the way steve spoke out here. Just coz the OP started this thread you banned him from your network , why ? so if he had not put his thread and kept going probably he could have continued with what he was doing and you would continue the shave.
The facts steve said might be right but i dont agree you banning him just coz he started this discussion.
PS: i like Chinese food, am i eligible to join your network .
dizz
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- May 19, 2009
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I was banned because I started this thread. Steve didn't take a closer look at my account until I started this thread because frankly he did not care what we're doing as long as we were complaining about shaving. I had no intention of ever using his network again after I put this thread up. He didn't like the idea that somebody was checking him and finding out what he was doing. I don't care that he banned me, I knew the consequences of calling out someone in his position. And if anybody else was to rip me off I would post here because that's what you do when somebody is not doing the right thing. There's a reason my name is not on the shit list. Because I do business straightforwardly. I did this as a warning for all to read. If people want to be part of his network more power to them. I just know what he did to me.let this be a warning to all: you saw what he did, he attacked me personally before he attacked me professionally. He spoke in racist terms which I hope everyone finds offensive. That shows more about his personality than anything else. I still have not had the answer to this question"if I was fraudulent why was I not banned?"
Jason and Amanda
Jason and Amanda
I've got a few points to make here, so I'll take them one at a time.
First off, I'm man enough to admit when I make a mistake and I certainly do admit that I made a mistake when I tried comparing the OP to someone who is Chinese. While I deal with Chinese people impersonating Americans on a daily basis (just to get into MaxBounty), it was unfair and out of line for me to draw such a conclusion here. I sincerely apologize to anyone who I may have offended with that statement.
Secondly, I stand behind the ban of the OP. I've seen a significant amount of fraud over the 7 years I've been running MaxBounty. More than you can possibly imagine. The traffic provided by the OP fits the classic case of an affiliate self-generating/incentivizing leads and trying to mask it with bulk traffic. This has been happening for years and I've seen it being done at least 100 times. This method has been talked about here on BHW before, so it really shouldn't be news to anyone.
Thirdly, the OP's account was banned because he brought attention to himself by slagging us publically, which led to the investigation to his account. Should this really surprise anyone? The opening statement here wasn't a civil request for me to look into a problem. He was calling us out in an antagonistic way. Anyone who knows my history on this (and other) forums should realize that if you are going to challenge me like that, I'm going to stand up for my company. Why didn't I look sooner? Because the OP started his traffic in late January and had been running under the radar. The whole point of running under the radar is to avoid detection. Drawing attention to yourself is somewhat counterproductive.
Lastly, this is BHW. Everyone here knows that *some* of you are generating leads of dubious quality that are violating network T&C's. *Some* of you are stealing people's info, some of you are using bots, some of you are using iframing tools, some of you are filling out leads yourselves and some of you are invalidly incenting campaigns. Those of you who choose to do that have to realize that at some point you might get caught and you really shouldn't be that surprised when you are booted from networks. As I've read many posters here: "it's part of the game".
First off, I'm man enough to admit when I make a mistake and I certainly do admit that I made a mistake when I tried comparing the OP to someone who is Chinese. While I deal with Chinese people impersonating Americans on a daily basis (just to get into MaxBounty), it was unfair and out of line for me to draw such a conclusion here. I sincerely apologize to anyone who I may have offended with that statement.
Secondly, I stand behind the ban of the OP. I've seen a significant amount of fraud over the 7 years I've been running MaxBounty. More than you can possibly imagine. The traffic provided by the OP fits the classic case of an affiliate self-generating/incentivizing leads and trying to mask it with bulk traffic. This has been happening for years and I've seen it being done at least 100 times. This method has been talked about here on BHW before, so it really shouldn't be news to anyone.
Thirdly, the OP's account was banned because he brought attention to himself by slagging us publically, which led to the investigation to his account. Should this really surprise anyone? The opening statement here wasn't a civil request for me to look into a problem. He was calling us out in an antagonistic way. Anyone who knows my history on this (and other) forums should realize that if you are going to challenge me like that, I'm going to stand up for my company. Why didn't I look sooner? Because the OP started his traffic in late January and had been running under the radar. The whole point of running under the radar is to avoid detection. Drawing attention to yourself is somewhat counterproductive.
Lastly, this is BHW. Everyone here knows that *some* of you are generating leads of dubious quality that are violating network T&C's. *Some* of you are stealing people's info, some of you are using bots, some of you are using iframing tools, some of you are filling out leads yourselves and some of you are invalidly incenting campaigns. Those of you who choose to do that have to realize that at some point you might get caught and you really shouldn't be that surprised when you are booted from networks. As I've read many posters here: "it's part of the game".
dizz
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UGH, Get it straight.. Since you banned me, you should know that im a she... Would you like a pic for proof.... Yes, this is Jason's profile, but look, it's Amanda.... Im pissed at how you blame me for getting banned when I out the shaving...
Yes, we did call you out, and whatever, you are mad or such, but I still made you more money than you have ever paid me... I know that I have been owed considerably more than what was paid to me in my length as a MaxBounty member, and since you got a bad review, you banned me.. But that's just fine.. I have plenty of other CPA companies to use, I didn't really need yours.
Thanks again,
Amanda
Yes, we did call you out, and whatever, you are mad or such, but I still made you more money than you have ever paid me... I know that I have been owed considerably more than what was paid to me in my length as a MaxBounty member, and since you got a bad review, you banned me.. But that's just fine.. I have plenty of other CPA companies to use, I didn't really need yours.
Thanks again,
Amanda
Silencer
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If he didn't ban you now you would have been banned by the end of the month. I lost $2,000 with MaxBounty. What's funny is they waited until the LAST moment before banning my account. Suspicious, no?
MaxSteve, attacking DizzSpaceTeam on a personal level was just low.
But there are plenty of other networks out there, don't sweat it.
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dizz
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hi silencer for a long time since I talk you. It's Jason now. Yeah that is his MO banning upon due payment. Amanda has plenty of other networks that are reputable and that we will throw lots of traffic at. It's just funny that this was a white hat thing. He's just pissed off because I put a check on them. Being able to have someone build your custom software is a great thing.
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I notice Steven, that you did not speak of advertiser complaints. It is very easy to ask, and if that is not a consideration here then you have no place to assume fraud. If you are making base accusations according to the vagaries and inconsistency of circumstantial evidence, if it even qualifies as that, you are opening yourself up to questions of trust and loyalty. Banning her is inappropriate, and I make a demand that I do not want you to mistake for negotiable. You A., deliver proof of the fraud in the form of advertiser complaints to a trusted admin here, and we can close this flamewar with a matter resolved post that preserves privacy, or B., pay Amanda her money and recant the accusation. Failure to comply will result in a request for a ban for you as I will gather blackhat members to petition for such. I can also promise you, you can expect more well trafficked "Max Bounty Sucks" fan pages than you can dream of, and trust me, the talent here has way more ability than just that. So from this point I ask you to choose your words carefully, and make your decisions judiciously.
Amanda, at one point or another we have been accused or screwed over. This post may result in something positive, or not, but I encourage you to play cards closer to the vest next time. There are risks for your situation, as I have found having been in the business myself these networks stick together like we do. Also consider that if you have quality traffic, you can find much better options for you to utilize it. I hope that this post finds you in peace and having learned a valuable lesson about who to do business with.
Steven, consider this not personal, but cumulative. Ever increasing boorish and fraudulent behavior among the various networks are ruining the industry as much if not more than affiliate fraud, and the entire business model is on the verge of collapse. (Yes lowly affiliates go to Vegas conventions too.) You and I both know that a 36 percent conversion rate would have triggered a manual review, yet you claim that you looked into it upon the posting of this thread. Highly unlikely. There is an easy way to stop nearly all fraud, and I am surprised nobody has figured it out yet. Does this look familiar? "Shave? No. Filter out leads that fail their in-house fraud/dup/validity checks? " If email submit advertisers could do that, what would they need you for? The game is getting old and the valuable capital you built is rapidly being spent.
Finally, beings that you are so concerned, Steven, with the English language, see how this grabs you: if you are so up and up, and worried about fraud, what the FUCK are you doing here? You know full well that blackhatters are useful, because they get you paid. For every blackhatter you toss under the bus, another survives to fatten your wallet. You know that the people here, however they pull the lead, are more valuable than the idiots at digital point who are flailing trying to figure out motherfucking Adwords. So save the act.
We CPA participants are all lodgers in the Den of Inequity. Stop acting like you live on the hill.
Amanda, at one point or another we have been accused or screwed over. This post may result in something positive, or not, but I encourage you to play cards closer to the vest next time. There are risks for your situation, as I have found having been in the business myself these networks stick together like we do. Also consider that if you have quality traffic, you can find much better options for you to utilize it. I hope that this post finds you in peace and having learned a valuable lesson about who to do business with.
Steven, consider this not personal, but cumulative. Ever increasing boorish and fraudulent behavior among the various networks are ruining the industry as much if not more than affiliate fraud, and the entire business model is on the verge of collapse. (Yes lowly affiliates go to Vegas conventions too.) You and I both know that a 36 percent conversion rate would have triggered a manual review, yet you claim that you looked into it upon the posting of this thread. Highly unlikely. There is an easy way to stop nearly all fraud, and I am surprised nobody has figured it out yet. Does this look familiar? "Shave? No. Filter out leads that fail their in-house fraud/dup/validity checks? " If email submit advertisers could do that, what would they need you for? The game is getting old and the valuable capital you built is rapidly being spent.
Finally, beings that you are so concerned, Steven, with the English language, see how this grabs you: if you are so up and up, and worried about fraud, what the FUCK are you doing here? You know full well that blackhatters are useful, because they get you paid. For every blackhatter you toss under the bus, another survives to fatten your wallet. You know that the people here, however they pull the lead, are more valuable than the idiots at digital point who are flailing trying to figure out motherfucking Adwords. So save the act.
We CPA participants are all lodgers in the Den of Inequity. Stop acting like you live on the hill.
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jegolove
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