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Bye bye Flippa, I can't get scammed again and again.

Discussion in 'Site Flipping' started by luckyman, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. luckyman

    luckyman Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Hello Friends,

    This happened second time. I m honest, but still Scammed.

    This time, its with this auction
    1. https://flippa.com/auctions/117696
    Every thing went smoothly. On 27 Jan I get message from the winner of this auction

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    Hello Luckyman,

    Can i return back this site to you? It has legal issue.
    Please refer to the below email that i've receive from Paypal:
    .............................

    2. My reply was..
    site was sold for $160. Let me tell me some facts, then u take the decision.
    Cost for listing at flippa was $19 + flippa success fees. it was i think $5, then PP change some thing. In short i get around $130 from you. If i include cost of report and sales letter. And one day of auction. I already delivered every thing as I promise. And now after 26 days u are asking for refund. You are also flipper, suggest me what should i do? I did not make any thing with it. in fact it was sold at loss.
    Now after reading it, that u get only one sales, for what so ever reason, that is also refunded. SO.....you also lost (. its very sad, I never want, that this happened.

    The best thing we can do now is.
    1. Please get another domain name
    2. set with 2 checkout. Use the same sales letter. ( the only issue is, problem with domain name)
    3. we will do seo part for u, including posting at classified sites. for free ( as we did for that site)
    4. In few days u will get some sales, and 2 checkout will pay u by wire.
    5. And in this way u will cover the cost.
    Believe me, this is the best solution i can suggest you. really nothing left for refund. the only thing is that i help in building links so u can make profits.

    thanks

    If u do not agree with me, then please give me your suggestion, lets try to come to, a solution, which suits both of us.

    ..........................................................

    3. I never get any message from him but Flippa suspend my account. I though, its due to Trade mark issue

    4. Today i get message from Flippa
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    In order to have your Flippa account reinstated, we will require you to arrange an immediate, full refund to the winning
    bidder for listing # 117696. We will restore your account access once we have received an email confirmation from the winning bidder confirming they have received the refund.
    .................................................................

    5. $160 is not an issue. My point is, why Flippa suspend my account? Secondly, they did not ask my any thing.
    Lastly, This happened second time now. I m honest from day one. In first case, a user open a claim in 40 day with PP, and i lost $780. Matter is still pending. I know, I m scammed.

    And now, When site is performing, every thing was as described, why Flippa suspend my account?

    Now the question is, Flippa is the safe option to sell the sites? Because, although u are doing every thing right still u can loss every thing or Flippa can suspend your account, without asking you any thing. By the way, after 2 scams in the row, i m not going to use them any more.

    I send this message to there support, let me see, what they have to say now...)
    Thanks

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    Thanks for contacting Flippa Customer Support.
    In order to have your Flippa account reinstated, we will require you to arrange an immediate, full refund to the winning
    bidder for listing # 117696. We will restore your account access once we have received an email confirmation from the winning bidder confirming they have received the refund.
    Kind Regards,
    Flippa Customer Support.
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    hello,
    I m confused now, after reading this. "In order to have your Flippa account reinstated, we will require you to arrange an immediate, full refund to the winning bidder for listing # 117696."

    Now please tell me, why Flippa suspend my account? Last time I was informed that, "Winning bidder for listing # 117696 received cease and desist letter from PayPal - please contact Flippa Support to discuss further."

    Is it Trade mark issue of Paypal or Flippa suspend my account for refund request of $160 of this auction 117696.
    I m using Flippa since July, I m your Clint too. I have right to ask the question, That's why I m asking.
    Winner of this auction "117696", send a letter to Flippa, and you suspend my account, and Flippa don't bother to ask me any thing. Just suspend the account. I think you should listen me first. For example, Judicatory here case of both parties then take decision. But in this case, one party make a complaint, you did not ask me ( the other part) any thing, just suspend my account. To be honest, its very irresponsible practices. Flippa should reanalysis it self too.
    Now As, Flippa is asking me for Full refund, provided every thing is true, all sales traffic details are correct, every thing is delivered, give full support. By the way user ask me for partial refund and Flippa want for full refund.
    Any ways, Before taking any decision, about refund, let me tell u the back ground.
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    1. Its related to this auction, https://flippa.com/auctions/117696
    2. Transition went smoothly.
    3. On 27th JAN i get this message from azidah
    Hello Luckyman,
    Can i return back this site to you? It has legal issue.
    Please refer to the below email that i've receive from Paypal:
    4. This is my reply to here...
    Well. site was sold for $160. Let me tell me some facts, then u take the decision.
    Cost for listing at flippa was $19 + flippa success fees. it was i think $5, then PP change some thing. In short i get around $130 from you. If i include cost of report and sales letter. And one day of auction. I already delivered every thing as I promise. And now after 26 days u are asking for refund. You are also flipper, suggest me what should i do? I did not make any thing with it. in fact it was sold at loss.
    Now after reading it, that u get only one sales, for what so ever reason, that is also refunded. SO.....you also lost (. its very sad, I never want, that this happened.
    The best thing we can do now is.
    1. Please get another domain name
    2. set with 2 checkout. Use the same sales letter. ( the only issue is, problem with domain name)
    3. we will do seo part for u, including posting at classified sites. for free ( as we did for that site)
    4. In few days u will get some sales, and 2 checkout will pay u by wire.
    5. And in this way u will cover the cost.
    Believe me, this is the best solution i can suggest you. really nothing left for refund. the only thing is that i help in building links so u can make profits.
    thanks
    If u do not agree with me, then please give me your suggestion, lets try to come to, a solution, which suits both of us.
    5. I never get any message from her again, but flippa suspend my account. Without asking my any thing. Very strange.
    ................................................................................
    okay, I m ready to refund, But what about
    1. Flippa Listing Fee
    2. Flippa Success Fee
    3. She send with paypal, so i have to beer the cost?
    4. The cost of report + bonus.
    Flippa is planning to Pay me? Can Flippa give me Guarantee, that it will not be used or Give to others?
    ................................................................................
    Its good to see, that Flippa is very proactive, but What's the flippa stand in this case?
    https://flippa.com/auctions/113541

    Sites were performing as I described. But on 40th day, winner of the auction Open a case at paypal, and $780 is blocked. I informed flippa about it. What happened there? Nothing. Did Flippa intervene there? NO. Did Flippa suspend that account? https://flippa.com/users/273450. The answer is NO again.
    Now, the question is, why Flippa in inactive in this case?
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    Flippa Suspend my account because "for guideline violations."
    These are Flippa Guideline ?

    1. Buyer can bid on any site, And he is not liable to buy or not to buy. (this happened in past, and Flippa didn't do any thing)

    2. Even if site is working as described, Buyer can open dispute with paypal and Steal money, Even then Flippa will not do any thing? Correct? This happened too, Please check your records.

    3. And in case of E-books, Every thing is fine, But After 20 -25 days, due to any reason ( legal issue, then I agree to do SEO for her for free), buyer open a case, and flippa will suspend my account? even without hearing me or give an opportunity to tell my point, Flippa suspend that account.
    Do you thing is it justice? Do you thing Flippa is working in Fair way? Flippa needs to analysis its working.

    In this case (117696), user never ask for Full refund ( provide every thing is delivered to him), he contact Flippa, and Flippa suspend my account, without asking me the reason or give me an opportunity to put my point. Well if user open a claim at Paypal, the same thing happened. PP will investigate the matter, and for no reason I lost the money again.

    Honestly, sites Like Flippa are only working because of sellers, if this is the attitude, who is going to sell sites?
    Any ways, i m ready for refund, because buyer can open case at paypal too ). Now Please tell me about, 1. Flippa Listing Fee 2. Flippa Success Fee. Will Flippa refund it, or i have to bear it too?

    Thanks
     
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  2. humvee9

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    i'm really sorry for you... i remember i too got scammed.. Was something like $2000 !
     
  3. luckyman

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    hello humvee9

    "i'm really sorry for you... "
    no need for it. I know how to make blogs and get traffic. I can do it again. I join flippa in july 2010. Its ok, np

    After 2 scams in 40 days, reaaly no point in wasting time with flippa any more.

    buyers can open dispute at PP or can complaint to flippa, in both case, its loss of listing Fee, success fee, domain names, time involve in listing, and lastly money money sites.

    My blogs are making 300 + per month, I m planning to make 100's of such networks.. i think its better apprach, rater then selling for very less prise at flippa

    Thanks
     
  4. delnabo

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    what if you use escrow.com? Wouldn't that solve the problem with scammers?
     
  5. givemelove

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    pretty common... idiocy in companies increase as they grow...! look at paypal. they are biggest and the dumbest company out there..! ... same thing happening on flippa...!
     
  6. RedWolf

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    first : Use escrow

    second : your domain is violating trademark so this time flippa is right.

    just my cents :)
     
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  7. luckyman

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    Hello friends
    thanks for it again

    1. what if you use escrow.com? Wouldn't that solve the problem with scammers?

    well, I never try escrow.com. but they do have some horrible stories too, Please check bhw

    2. vedjotri
    pretty common... idiocy in companies increase as they grow...! look at paypal.

    Agreeded with you. But how long. NO don't think me other wise. what happened to epassporte. visa suspend there account and no afte some time, we will check them in archive. LOL

    same with PP, just RBI have do something, and they will ran away. But yes GOVT should check there practise. If a company become big, it doestnot get the linces to scam.

    3. lastly, Thanks dxseo again

    first : Use escrow---- okay

    second : your domain is violating trademark so this time flippa is right.
    Humm, not agree with you )) I just get an email from flippa, Please read it, and then give a look to my reply, the says..

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    Thanks for contacting Flippa Customer Support.

    To again clarify this situation ;

    You placed a website for sale on Flippa which contained a trademarked term, which led to the winning bidder of the listing contents receiving a cease a desist letter from the trademark holder. This is unacceptable, and is in breach of our Site Rules at flippa.com/rules , which clearly states ;

    "The seller must have the right and good faith intention to sell the item listed"

    Flippa sellers are also required prior to listing placement to tick a checkbox that indicates that the contents of the Flippa listing about to be placed does not contain any copyrighted or trademarked material. The contents of listing # 117696 were trademarked, thus you broke this condition.

    In order for this issue to be resolved satisfactorily for the winning bidder, we were required to suspend your Flippa account, which have the rights to do at any time, for any reason.

    As stated previously, if we receive a confirmation to support@flippa.com from the winning bidder of listing # 117696 that they have received a full refund for this listing's contents, we will reinstate your Flippa account.

    Kind Regards,

    Flippa Customer Support.
    -----------------------------------------------------MY reply to flippa.....
    Hello,

    Thanks for clearing my doubt.

    1. So the matter was related to trademarked term. As i told you earlier, i was not aware of it, other wise i never buy that domain name.

    2. I m ready to refund, but please clear my few doubts

    a. Flippa listing fee, will you refund it or Not.
    b. Flippa success fee, the same.
    Okay, By mistake, i beach flippa rules, but why Flippa is making money in it. It should be refunded. I m just asking, as its the matter of principals
    c. Domain name, Please ask the winner of the auction to return my domain name. I m ready to refund, then why should not get my all the assets.
    d. Lastly, Can Flippa ensure me, that The report i give to the winner of this auction will not be sold again? And the Bonus, worth of $275 will not be used for any marketing efforts or give to others?

    Well, i m using Flippa for a while. Your Services are okay, if not good, Still I wish to do business with Flippa. I never intend to do any volition of any low, its was just a mistake and i m accepting it. I m ready to refund, the only thing i want is my domain name, Flippa Fees and assurance that report and bonus will not be misused at all. Please assure me, i will refund it. I never scam any one in life, I can not do it. This time amount is hardly $160. Its matter of principals, that's why I m confirming with you.

    Thanks
     
  8. luckyman

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    Few more things,

    1. I regestered domain, which create trade mark issue--- MY mistake.. accepting appology.
    But
    2. Domain was registed with Godaddy
    3. Site sold at FLIPPA
    4. and winner of the auction buy it
    so, why should i suffer loss only )

    every one will accept, that $160 is nothing. its matter of principals.

    My point is...In case of trade mark issue why Flippa is making money? ( listing + successfee)
    they should refund it) I think every one will agreeded

    IF Flippa is not refunding then, They are the only, who make money in this transation. PP legal cell shold take care of them. he he he

    any ways,

    I m using PP my self, Its a mistake i m accepting it. But my question is what they are doing regarding this site?
    paypalsucks.com LOL,
    paypal sucks w- h- a- t========ha ha ha
    trust me, i have nothing to do with it, but what about there branding and whats there legal cell is doing now.
     
  9. lacy1978

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    I've been scammed several times in the past with virtual items from a video game. I've learned that if you ship something to them and require them to sign for it BEFORE you send them anything virtually that Paypal will side with you if they ever come back and say they didn't receive the item.
     
  10. themvf

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    You shouldn't be penalized for the trademark issue. The buyer was in full contemplatiom of the domain before he placed his bid.
     
  11. luckyman

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    hello friends,
    thanks, any ways, i get update. Flippa want me ....well pleaseread it. any ways, I m refunding this ammount.. and leaving flippa for ever. i don't want to left filla with banned account...
    ...................................
    Flippa Customer Support, Feb-02 02:50 pm (EST):

    Thanks for contacting Flippa Customer Support.

    To answer your questions ;

    1. Your Flippa listing closed with a winner declared - the listing was not cancelled while still active, so there are no grounds to refund your Listing Fee.

    2. We will permit you to lodge a Dispute so that we can potentially waive the Success Fee for this transaction, once your account access has been reinstated after the refund has been completed.

    3. Once the refund has been processed back to the buyer, they are required to return all listing contents to you. If the listing contents are not returned to you with 7 -14 days of refund, we may move to suspend the buyer's account until all of your property is returned. We have no ability to guarantee that the buyer will not use any of the marketing information already provided to them - you will need to discuss this directly with the buyer.

    Kind Regards,

    Flippa Customer Support.

    Bhupesh Bhandari, Feb-01 06:50 pm (EST):

    Hello,

    Thanks for clearing my doubt.

    1. So the matter was related to trademarked term. As i told you earlier, i was not aware of it, other wise i never buy that domain name.

    2. I m ready to refund, but please clear my few doubts

    a. Flippa listing fee, will you refund it or Not.
    b. Flippa success fee, the same.
    Okay, By mistake, i beach flippa rules, but why Flippa is making money in it. It should be refunded. I m just asking, as its the matter of principals
    c. Domain name, Please ask the winner of the auction to return my domain name. I m ready to refund, then why should not get my all the assets.
    d. Lastly, Can Flippa ensure me, that The report i give to the winner of this auction will not be sold again? And the Bonus, worth of $275 will not be used for any marketing efforts or give to others?

    Well, i m using Flippa for a while. Your Services are okay, if not good, Still I wish to do business with Flippa. I never intend to do any volition of any low, its was just a mistake and i m accepting it. I m ready to refund, the only thing i want is my domain name, Flippa Fees and assurance that report and bonus will not be misused at all. Please assure me, i will refund it. I never scam any one in life, I can not do it. This time amount is hardly $160. Its matter of principals, that's why I m confirming with you.

    Thanks
     
  12. webinfoguy25

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    I got scammed left and right back in 2008-2009. I was flipping sites full time. I made unique landing pages fully loaded with a unique product, affiliate center, banners, etc and towards the end some scammer that created tons of accounts put me out of business. I was so pissed and you know payment processors cough paypal cough don't backup the seller and are open to easy fraud. If you don't use the common payment method that they use than you miss out on a lot of bidders and really can't make a good profit.
     
  13. GlobalP

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    I was thinking about flipping some sites. lacy1978, you mentioned that if you send them a product and make them sign for it that paypal sides with you. Do you just state in your description or something that you will send a disc with the site backed up on it and they must sign for it for security reasons or something? How do you go about protecting yourself? Thanks!
     
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    Hold on, if you're selling blogs that make $300 a month for those kinda prices, Fuck Flippa..get in touch with me! I'll pay you however the hell you like! :D
     
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  15. gnak

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    If you plan to sell alot on Flippa, I suggest you get a broker that
    speaks good English to help you out.

    No offence meant, but the world is unfair like that; when you don't
    speak good English, people automatically assume you are a scammer.

    Anyways, I'll be interested in buying your sites too if they earn the
    amounts you claim, drop me a PM.
     
  16. dingdong

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    Maybe take some English classes, I got a headache just reading your story.
     
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  17. IamNRE

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    Dmmm.... did read everything but, they really need to get their shit together; they ask too much just for posting IMO.

    Posting sites by verified accounts should be free, and they just take a 5-10% commission and call it a day!

    Find other ways of selling your sites; Ebay - DP maybe - I dunno if BHW would accept a sales thread ....

    Good luck
     
  18. carlx

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    Flippa is still the best place to sell smaller sites, i know this topic has been dragged up from a year ago but i still thought it worth a reply.

    1. My head is spinning after reading everything, your English isn't the best and in this business communication is key, especially when your trying to verbally fight a company (in this case Flippa)

    2. YOU registered a trademarked domain name, it was YOUR FAULT that the C&D letter was sent. Godaddy won't be held responsible for allowing you to register the domain - they will simply conform to any letter they themselves receive.
    Flippa has a policy to not take action without a complaint. If a complaint is received then they look into things, they too will not stop an auction if it contains a trademarked term, so as i said before - it is 100% on you to ensure you are not breaking any laws.

    3. You used Paypal and its really very easy to get scammed using it - i never use it unless i can afford to lose everything in the account. Paypal is still the easiest option for anything below $1000 in my opinion.

    4. Over $1000 use Escrow, there are more horror stories regarding Paypal than there are regarding escrow.
     
  19. dingdong

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    Can we have some escrow horror stories please ? :)
     
  20. poweronics

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    I am surprised to read this. Is Flippa a damn scam?
    If your case is taken into consideration, Flippa should be boycotted then.