Buy Sell Trade: A thought to speed up thread approval process? Read please

[timmylang]

Hey guys.

I see a lot of complaints about buy sell trade threads taking a long time to get approved etc.. And with me possibly wanting to, admittedly, make my own thread soon, I was a bit put off by this... this is my humble suggestion (and please no one get up set, its just an alternative possibly).


The main reason threads take so long to get approved, is a mod has to test out the service, I guess to protect members of the forum.


Please no one take offense, but... that's sort of like our parents walking us to the bathroom... I think we, as grown adults, should be able to take our own due dilligence to know if we want to buy from someone or not, no? If I get scammed I get scammed, thats on me... thats honestly, my opinion.. But, I can see where blackhatworld owner / mods want to protect people.... So why not take some other precationary steps, that won't take 2 weeks to months to get approved? My humble suggestion, how about:


1) Charging $100 to make a thread... or even $200... (please dont blast me for this)... Hear me out...

BHW is where the big boys play.. look at all the threads on the front page of Buy sell trade... scrape box... tweet attacks.. etc etc.. these are programs that have probably grossed over $100,000 each (at the very LEAST)... just off their thread here.. you mean to tell me it only takes $20 bucks to reap a $99,980 (at least) ROI?

Charging a high price for the thread, will cut out 90% of the bs to begin with in my humble opinion.. Anyone want to sell for cheaper on a lower level, why not let them do it on another forum? Or, how about... Have 2 options: $20 put you in 2 week to few months queue... $200 skips you to the head of the line.. Maybe even have 2 seperate forums for this if you want? The minor leagues and the big leagues BST.. (my opinion would be to just have 1 forum where you pay $200... but im just saying you can make alternatives to make everyone happy..)

Edit: 1 other alternative I just thought of... could make it so, whatever the price someone is selling their service for, they have to pay 3 to 5 times that for a thread.

So, if I'm selling software for $100... I pay $300 for the thread.. Ok, this could be a little far out.. but the point is, if the first 2 ppl get scammed, the thread starter won't even break even . The first 2 buyers will come report the atrocity.. So thread starter made $200 on a $300 thread and a lifetime ban... sounds like fun eh?


2) How about, instead of a mod having to review the service, they simply just review the thread? Read the thread, see its ok, and submit...

It should be up to us, the buyers, whether we are going to need a review copy or not... If a member only has 100 posts, just became junuir VIP.. its on him to give out 5 to 10 review copies to ELITE members, to gain others confidence... thats global commerce in it's most basic form... you work your way up the ranks... Their are 1,000s of music producers in the U.S. alone, who make better beats than dr dre... they can give their beats away for free, and might still cant get noticed... he can charge $100,000 for his... the point is, working your way up to gain client trust is something thats in every form of business around the world... why not black hat world? Let us, as adults, decide who we want to purchase from, depending on how agressive they are at giving out review copies... if we dont want to buy, they just wasted $200... and trust me, people are not going to submit a thread, unless they HIGHLY BELIEVE they will sell something of quality, after giving away 5 review copies to moderators and exec VIPS, they will not waste their money submitting rubbish to the forum for you to sort through

3) Make every member, before even entering a BST thread, be forced to read a pop up disclosure that says they fully understand they are buying / purchasing at their own risk. and that they agree to take the due dillegence to scout the seller and make a determination on whether they want to purchase their services or not.. make this a forced pop up before entering everythread.. and then give an option to forever waive the pop up going forward...


4) If you need even more protection for customers.. this is just some other things I'm throwing out there:

-Require a video demo of the software of perhaps service to be posted
-If someone is ever caught and proven to be scamming, they will be banned for life... So thats a $100 donation to the forum, 100 posts, 90 days of registration, and $200 for a thread gone down the drain... this is not easy to get back over night.. it probably wont even be worth it to them
-perhaps, build in some type of escrow system into the forum? The new price of the threads could be used to cover this... Basically, maybe let a member escrow in their money, and then the funds are released upon completion of the service (this could be used for services only... I'll admit, this one is a little far out there, but Im just throwing ideas around now).


basically, in the end... I think there are better ways to protect the great members of the BHW community than having moderators test things out first, which causes long delays in getting threads approved. I'm sure if we all, as a community, came in here and brain stormed, we could add on ideas, and come up with a better way.


When you combine all of this with things like Itrader, reputation, legnth of time on the forum etc... this is FAR more than enough for us as adults on the bhw forum to make a sound decision in judgement on who we would like to purchase from. I think it's more beneficial for the site as you get more $ from the threads, you spend less time reviewing services / programs (most of which probably will never even make it up on the site), and buyers get the latest products / services when they were meant to be revealed to the public.

all of this is just my humble opinion. If you agree or disagree you can let it be known.

thanks!

 

[mrsix]

100k from 1 thread? Really?

 

[timmylang]

100k from 1 thread? Really?

I mean scrapebox sells for $97... multiply that by 1,000 and what do you have? And I'm sure 1,000 is a low estimate for the amount of people that use the software.

 

[chad362wiley]

100k from 1 thread? Really?

Please rethink what you just said.

 

[MadamX]

Do you think moderator are there just to save you from scam? They know that buyers are responsible for their action but they need to test if the service provide is worth capable of providing the service. Note that they do not test the service just to save you from scam, but moderators are also responsible to see the quality of service and your capability as a service provider. They simply will not allow 100 service providers selling scrapebox blasts, they have to balance on that front too.

Charging more and making it without moderation would be like killing the quality of BHW. I bet none of the forum have such a high level of BST quality. Thanks to moderators.

If you wish to spend $300-$500, you can always donate to BHW by way of banner advertisement. Or you can spend $500-$1000 over adwords and you wont have to wait for approval time.

 

[wowhaxor]

The moderation is also because we all want quality here. If you want to push an IM product that is crap do so over at WF at you'll still get sales. If you think you have something above and beyond that can make you money and add quality to what the community (remember, even though BHW has gotten big in the last few years its a community at heart) that would valuable to members then post your thread and let a mod review it. Seems pretty reasonable to me and it keeps out 1,000s of poor repeat service providers, junk programs and people who can't be bothered to treat their sales thread like the business that it is.

 

[Techxan]

IMO Internet Marketing is a hotbed of outrageous claims and pie in the sky promises. Anytime someone in IM says "Do it like this" the sub chorus is always: "line my pockets".

Another thing is that I do not really know if they even know what they are talking about, if I can trust them.

It gives me a great deal of comfort to know that any gig I buy here has been approved by someone I can trust (Because they are not making money off me) AND who knows what they are talking about (because if they are mods, they are specialists in the discipline) AND who really do want me to get value for my dollar when I spend it (because if they don't, the membership will bail).

I appreciate the fact that when I spend my money, someone has tested the service out who know what they are doing, because when I use the service I do not have to wonder if the service is good or not. If someone who knows what they are doing is successful and I am not, it is a safe bet that the issue is I don't know what I am doing, not the service or product.

It is nice to have a given, but test and confirm.

And no offense, this is a Black Hat forum with I assume a few hundred thousand members, there just might be a scammer or two out there.

 

[7878]

Charging a high price for the thread, will cut out 90% of the bs to begin with in my humble opinion..

99% of the junk is filtered out by the current requirements and processes before you ever lay eyes on a single thread. It's setup the way it is for a reason - and to be frank, you've laid out this long-winded post based on the very limited knowledge you have about how the process works behind the scenes. These guidelines are in place to protect you and the 250,000 other people who use the BST section every month and they work quite well.

Delays in approval aren't generally staff related. A large number of threads that come through require revision and/or clarification, or flat out don't meet the requirements. The staff work hard to get any and all offers that are unique and offered by trustworthy sellers through approval in a timely fashion.

 

[timmylang]

99% of the junk is filtered out by the current requirements and processes before you ever lay eyes on a single thread. It's setup the way it is for a reason - and to be frank, you've laid out this long-winded post based on the very limited knowledge you have about how the process works behind the scenes. These guidelines are in place to protect you and the 250,000 other people who use the BST section every month and they work quite well.

Delays in approval aren't generally staff related. A large number of threads that come through require revision and/or clarification, or flat out don't meet the requirements. The staff work hard to get any and all offers that are unique and offered by trustworthy sellers through approval in a timely fashion.

Thanks for your response bro. Yea, post is long winded because I wouldn't dare come give my opinion on how this forum works without making it thoughtful and detailed

And I'll be the first to admit, possibly my whole post (or a lot of it) is voided, due to the simple fact I forgot how things work on the warrior forum.

I've actually been taken once myself.. WSO with a RIDICULOUS number of JAW DROPPING reviews (over the top).. and I get the videos and its underwhelming to say the least... So, how they run things in a circle jerk where they get all their friends to come write reviews, you guys want to avoid all that.

That right there is enough for me to bow out.. I simply forgot about the $27 I spent on some borderline BS.

Only thing I will say, is just perhaps, to help you guys with the process, or filter out the bs a little more before it even gets to you.. I wouldn't mind seeing the price higher, or a little higher.. But its cool, no qualms here!


I actually feel more comfortable with submitting threads in the future after your post, so some benefit did come out of it for me after all.

thanks

 

[jr_sci]

Not gonna bitch about anything here, but it takes time for the mods to reply to a Review request. Am okay with the time taken for a review ( a week or so) but before that, one has to wait 1-2 weeks to get a reply if a mod is really interested to review your service or not.. !!!

It's about 10 days I guess and am yet to get a reply if someone is interested in a review for my service or not.. !! IRC is good.. Accepted.

Setting up a separate review team might solve this problem (if mods are busy). It's okay to DISAPPROVE a thread if it doesn't meet the requirements but there should be an ample chance for everyone to forward the BHW staff for a Review copy without waiting too long for a reply if they are interested for a review or not..

Please understand that a few startups, (services or products) might need a lot of investment to create them, and an ongoing charge on servers, staffs etc. Delaying the whole thing leaves them with no income but with extra ongoing expenses for a few weeks, or a month or so..

my 2 cents..

 

[worldwebsolutions]

can this forum add more admins to its pocket. so approval/denial of thread takes less time.

Please also send a pm to thread opener so he may know if it is approved or not.

Regads

 

[spasovski]

Oh, you think it's that easy to add a new admin in staff ?
I don't know if some of you noticed but admins on this forum are perfectionists. They wait, analyze, communicate, tolerate, protect, clean messes. Do you know how much training and what kind of personality it takes to become an admin here. The same as getting employed into google! (actually it's much easier to find a job in google than become a admin on BHW).

OP, I like your suggestions, you have some quality ideas there and I believe they will be considered by staff in near future. This forum is constantly at progress and things improve all the time.

 

[meathead1234]

Not gonna bitch about anything here, but it takes time for the mods to reply to a Review request. Am okay with the time taken for a review ( a week or so) but before that, one has to wait 1-2 weeks to get a reply if a mod is really interested to review your service or not.. !!!

It's about 10 days I guess and am yet to get a reply if someone is interested in a review for my service or not.. !! IRC is good.. Accepted.

Setting up a separate review team might solve this problem (if mods are busy). It's okay to DISAPPROVE a thread if it doesn't meet the requirements but there should be an ample chance for everyone to forward the BHW staff for a Review copy without waiting too long for a reply if they are interested for a review or not..

Please understand that a few startups, (services or products) might need a lot of investment to create them, and an ongoing charge on servers, staffs etc. Delaying the whole thing leaves them with no income but with extra ongoing expenses for a few weeks, or a month or so..

my 2 cents..

Having a BST approved is a privilege, not a right. 1-2 weeks is hardly a long time to wait to get a reply. We're all busy, we all run our own businesses and there is a stupidly high number of BSTs (and most of them are very similar).

Your business model really shouldn't be based on assuming your thread is going to be approved here. That's just stupid.

Considering all mods volunteer their time free, the fact you only have to wait 1-2 weeks is pretty good if you ask me. BHW is very big forum, it's not practical/viable to personally review threads faster than that.

The rules are very clear and are highly effective in getting rid of the crap. Everyone else just has to wait in line, I'm afraid.

 

[meathead1234]

100k from 1 thread? Really?

I can think of at least 10 BSTs off the top of my head that I know for a fact do $XXX,XXX+ a year.

 

[jr_sci]

Having a BST approved is a privilege, not a right. 1-2 weeks is hardly a long time to wait to get a reply. We're all busy, we all run our own businesses and there is a stupidly high number of BSTs (and most of them are very similar).

Your business model really shouldn't be based on assuming your thread is going to be approved here. That's just stupid.

Considering all mods volunteer their time free, the fact you only have to wait 1-2 weeks is pretty good if you ask me. BHW is very big forum, it's not practical/viable to personally review threads faster than that.

The rules are very clear and are highly effective in getting rid of the crap. Everyone else just has to wait in line, I'm afraid.

You are 100% right. Agreed.. ! Was just getting curious... who wants to wait in a line.. ! Lol.. So, the idea of creating a seperate Review team hit my mind. But I do respect what you just said.