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Bulk Micro Niche Sites & Adsense

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nickt, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. nickt

    nickt Junior Member

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    Hi guys, I have been looking at purchasing MNS in bulk from the various BHW services and looking to monetize it mainly with Adsense. However, I have burning questions and issues that are currently holding me back. I am hoping that experienced users in BHW with multiple MNS (50 and more) can provide some insight on whether it is still viable to do this or not. Depending on whether I follow through or not, I am planning to create a case study/journal based on this to share with the community here.

    This is my plan. I have roughly around $1500 to blow on the services and I want to get as many sites as possible with varying themes etc to prevent footprints. Also, depending on the keywords I may also want to monetize it with Clickbank, Amazon etc other than Adsense. After building the sites, I will then continue to build backlinks to push most of the sites to at least the top 5 on page 1. The real plan here is to let the sites earn a stable income and then flip them, use the money to invest on more sites, rinse, repeat.

    My other plan is to further develop some of the broader niches into mini-authority sites as this seems to be the focus for many these days,

    Here are some questions that I have:

    1. Is one Adsense account enough?
    2. If I have too many sites tied to a main account, will it get me banned?
    3. How many sites to a single host is possible?
    4. What is the kind of maintenance done to handle 50++ sites in bulk e.g. content and backlinking?
    5. How else do I not leave footprints for the big G to find out?
    6. Is it still worth it or am I better off spending my money on something else?
    I have compiled a list of the 19 services that create bulk MNS (hopefully I didn't miss any) and still have a hard time deciding where to invest my money in. Thanks for the long read guys! :D
     
  2. nikao

    nikao Power Member

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    well.. i think you answered your own first question:
    being so concerned with footprints, you would need an adsense account for each site.

    Seriously though; why would you want to diverse themes on your sites to prevent footprint, when you still consider publishing the same adsense ads on all these sites?

    No bigger footprint for google than their own products (webmaster tools, analytics, adsense).
    Maybe the question is; why would you care that you leave a footprint for google?
    Google has nothing against people who operate 50+ websites...
     
  3. nickt

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    Hi, allow me to digress a little. I want to know if leaving a footprint would alert big G or not. I am guessing the main thing that will alert them is seeing huge earnings from adsense (1 account) and then reviewing your site and seeing that all the themes are similar would most certainly earn me a penalty. I know there are many people who do this but I've seen some who do just fine and some who have had sites disindex out of Google. I'm talking about a range of 30 to 100+ sites. So I wanted to know for sure whether using diverse themes would be useful or not if I wanted to keep out of G's watchful eyes.

    I suppose I can only have so many adsense accounts, so do people actually sign up for multiple accounts or just use one? Thanks for the reply btw! :D
     
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    I find it very hard to believe that having different themes makes a difference in these cases.
    I mean; google can see via their own tools that you have 50+ sites. That is no problem for the big G.
    What the problem will be is when you have poor content and ads placed in such a way you get accidental clicks.

    If you make sure you have good content and proper site layout you should be fine
     
  5. Dj Co2

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    1. One Adsense account can be enough if you follow all of their terms but even then they might decide to fuck up your network of websites so it's better to create an account for lets say every 3-4 websites

    2. Answered above

    3. You can buy a reseller account with a web host and then buy a dedicated IP for all of them.. I have something similar with hostwinds and pay $2 per IP

    4. It really depends on the competition of the niche.. Sometimes the website will stay even at #1 without any maintenance so there ain't a strict rule to follow about this

    5. I would advice you to host your websites using different themes.. And why wouldn't you do that? There are a ton of themes available for wordpress.. Even if you don't use a different theme for all your websites then a custom header would be great.. Besides that, if you follow the above and not fuck up while building backlinks you will be fine

    6. MNS's will always be worth it IMO as long as they provide quality content and are not filled with ads.. You've got to keep a balance between the two
     
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  6. Calculons

    Calculons Junior Member

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    First of all if you have zero experience with niche sites I suggest you start with around 5 sites first to gather some experience.

    I usually start with 1-2 page sites, rank them in top 5 and then add some extra pages based on incoming searches so I can target some related keywords.
    Seems to have been working great so far.

    On each new site I add one high pr link first week, then wait until indexed.
    Add a few more high pr links and wait a week or two again.
    Usually I also add to most used bookmarking sites.
    Then I add adsense and create a few blogsites on the keyword and link back to money site. Few days later I blast the tier 1 sites with nohands seo or senuke or similar.

    Within 2-5 weeks I usually rank in first page or top 5 depending on competition.
    Then I move on to next site and only check once a week for incoming searches / rank / adsense performance.

    Don't expect to bank big $ to start with.
    Depending on the niche I earn around 1-5$ per week on each site.
    Some more some less.
    Even have niche sites with 1000+ local us searches ranking #1 that only earns around 5$ per month. Then I again I have sites ranking around #5-10 earning 1-5$ per day.

    Using 3 different shared hosts to spread the sites a little, also better if you want to cross link some of the sites.

    Im only using 1 adsense account for the last 6 years or so, not been a problem yet (knock on wood)

    Just make sure you do the money sites by the G book. Privacy policy, decent ad placements, unique content... etc.
    Also I would avoid 1 page sites using click theme with ads pushed before content, one adsense review and your account will most likely be banned.

    I would suggest you do the following if you have time for it.

    Either buy some researched keywords where emd is avail or do the research yourself using g keyword tool along with traffic Travis to check competition.

    Buy heatmap theme for wordpress and learn how to use it. That theme rocks and is very to easy create some nice high ctr sites without pushing the G limits to much
    Buy the articles yourself and use those for your niche sites.

    Then use standard niche site template. 500-600 page static homepage for keyword.
    1 image named your keyword on page. 1 link to some authority site mid page. H1 tagged keyword...

    I wrote my own a-z guide on all the stuff I need to do for each site, kinda like a checklist. Makes it really easy for creating a new site within a few hours.

    Last instead of creating 50 niche sites. I would create around 20 and then take the 5 best and develop with more pages targeting more keywords. That would also look less spammy to G and would prolly earn you more in the long run.

    I had one 2 page site earning around 1$ a day. I expanding site with 2 more pages targeting some related keywords and week later I was steady on 2$ per day. Easy money compared to setting up a new site.

    On a side note I usually sell the sites after a few months. Would rather have money on paypal account than adsense paying to my bank account (tax thingy)
    So I usually have a max of 50 sites across those 3 hosts at a given time.
     
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  7. Calculons

    Calculons Junior Member

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    Sorry for the unstructured, seems there is some ridiculous posting rules when your a newbie. Had to remove part of my post before if would post.. jezzz
     
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    pretty nice tutorial man, thanks a lot!

    Can i ask you how/where you find these high PR sites to add a backlink to your MNSes? I recently started in IM and started building MNS network, but what i find it hard now is to get backlinks as I really do not like to mess with multi blasters like scrapebox and etc from the beginning coz probably i will get it screwed up..
     
  9. nickt

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    It seems there is mixed opinion on having how many adsense accounts to play safe but here's what I surmised. If I want to start in bulk, I have to start with a small number and build my way up instead of suddenly stuffing 50 sites in my face.

    I have 2 micro niche sites that I have built by myself at the moment but my backlinking efforts are not working very well. The first site is #6 for my main keyword (Low competition), the latter is not even top 1000 for the main keyword (Medium competition). I have been messing around with various tutorials and software mostly SEnuke X and did not build new sites. To recoup wasted time, this made my decision to try buying sites instead and learn on the way. As like any other kind of work, I don't expect to make big bucks straight away, I just wish to recover my costs and hopefully make some money to try new things.

    Having said that, as I have mentioned, I compiled a list of the BHW services in excel and there are the few names thrown around BHW, does anybody have any that they strongly recommend?

    @Dj co2
    Gold advice and that gives me some reassurance on the steps to take next. What do you think of building and focusing on authority sites instead of MNS?

    @Calculons
    I didn't expect such a detailed explanation, thanks for the awesome feedback. Definitely bookmarked. I do have a few months of experience after testing my 2 sites and I use heatmap pro 5 for my themes. I adhere to most of the on-page which is monitored by SEOpressor plugin and my content is 100% unique.

    Would it be a good idea to purchase about 5 first and I try to model 5 of my own sites whilst making a blueprint of the process? I might also purchase keywords from services here as it is much cheaper once I get the blueprint down.

    I would like to ask, is it necessary at all to have multiple adsense accounts and also would it be better to outsource all my backlinking instead?

    Thanks for all the help so far guys, appreciated.
     
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    It is necessary to have multiple adsense account if you go all whitehat?

    Thanks for all the above posts. They helped me a lot.
     
  11. Calculons

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    For the initial backlinks:
    I have my own high pr sites I use for the initial linking. From pr2 to to pr5.
    Also I have some aged high pr directories and bid sites I also use sometimes.
    Once you you gain good pr on some of your "old" sites you can use those for link juice, doesn't matter much if their in another niche. Your just using from for initial link juice.
    I also have a few decent pr blogger blogs where I post articles with links to new money sites.

    Just by doing this my new sites gain pr3 after first update. Kinda nice.

    I always build links forwards and never link back, if you get what I mean.
    Old sites -> newer sites -> newest sites

    On the old sites I've done 3 way linking among them, try to avoid 2 way cross linking just to be on the safe side.

    Also having 2-3 host help since your links will be coming from different ip's

    Buying 5 sites wont hurt you at all and it sure is an easy way to get started.
    But the problem is many of the cheap niche builders use badly spun articles, bare readable at all resulting in one g review and you might get banned. I often have to spend the some amount on time fixing the bought niche sites as it would take to build it myself.

    If you have experience in niche keywords try to use the services where you can review the keywords before they build you sites.

    Green nail tips is kinda better than ipad 2 start tips even though they might have same cpc.
    (your targeting women in first one, they tend to click like crazy, whereas tech nerds rarely click on ads. You get the idea...)

    Always request to see sample sites before using their service so you get overall idea of how your niches sites will look.

    I tried to outsourcing linking in the past, buy rally do it anymore.
    Most services use crappy spammy site for backlinking even though the might be high pr links. They reuse the same high pr sites again and again.
    In the end it might end up hurting your sites. Just read about some of the recent deindexed blog networks.

    I would rather buy some single high pr links and build own high pr sites for backlinking even though it will take more time before they start ranking.
    But once you have them, their so handy and free ;-)

    That's all for now, but let me know if you need other tips ;-)

    Last thing.. Building your own blueprint is surely the best way to do it. This way you learn what works and what doesn't work. Then it's much easier to upscale if thats what you want.

    Sorry again, had to cut of some of the stuff. wont let me post ;/
     
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