BornTobeatTheSystem
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- Aug 16, 2023
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Hi everyone,
I’m looking for opinions and advice from people with experience in web development, hosting providers, and operating online services in “gray-area” industries.
I’m planning to build a web-based live chat system for a massage business, with the goal of replacing WhatsApp communication. Phone numbers get banned frequently, which makes WhatsApp unreliable for day-to-day client communication.
No phone number or user registration required
Each visitor gets a unique session/ID
A real human operator replies from an admin dashboard when available
Conversations are one-on-one and private
Messages may be stored for continuity (with limited retention) or not
The business provides massage services. ,some services are relaxation / therapeutic and others services may be sensual in nature, depending on location and local regulations. No illegal services, No minors, No explicit sexual content displayed on the website, Website copy would/could remain neutral and professional?, No pornographic images or explicit descriptions
I understand this places the project in a gray-area industry, which is why I’m trying to design both the technical stack and hosting setup carefully.
One of my biggest concerns is the chat itself. Even if the public-facing website is clean, users may, ask suggestive questions or use euphemisms or insinuations (e.g. “extra service”, “happy ending”, etc.)
Planned mitigation:
Keyword filtering
Automatic neutral disclaimer when the chat starts
Redirecting suggestive questions to non-explicit responses
Ability for the operator to close conversations
Avoiding explicit confirmations in writing
From your experience:
How much responsibility does the site owner have for what users type in private chats?
Is having a moderated private chat itself considered risky by hosting providers?
My understanding is that websites are rarely “banned” outright. Instead, issues usually come from hosting account suspensions ,cloud services (DB / real-time services) terminating projects, payment processors cutting access ,domains being affected only in extreme cases
Is this accurate?
What are the most common triggers you’ve seen for takedowns in similar cases?
Current options I’m considering:
Hosting:
VPS hosting (DigitalOcean, Vultr, Hetzner, etc.)
Avoiding shared hosting and “family-friendly” platforms
Backend
Supabase or Firebase for real-time chat
Leaning toward Supabase due to more flexibility
Is a VPS generally safer for gray-area projects?
Are some providers more tolerant as long as content is legal and non-explicit?
Any providers you’d recommend or avoid?
Another consideration is paying for hosting via crypto.
The idea would be use VPS providers that accept crypto (directly or via third-party processors). Possibly have the business handle payments rather than tying services to my personal identity with that reduce the risk of sudden shutdowns tied to payment accounts
Does paying with crypto actually reduce risk in practice, or is it mostly psychological?
Are there reputable VPS providers known for accepting crypto and being neutral toward gray-area industries?
Any downsides I should be aware of (support, disputes, KYC later, etc.)?
I’d really appreciate insights from anyone who has:
Built similar chat systems ,hosted projects in gray-area industries, dealt with hosting compliance or takedowns or used crypto-paid hosting in practice
Thanks in advance for any guidance or real-world experiences.
I’m looking for opinions and advice from people with experience in web development, hosting providers, and operating online services in “gray-area” industries.
I’m planning to build a web-based live chat system for a massage business, with the goal of replacing WhatsApp communication. Phone numbers get banned frequently, which makes WhatsApp unreliable for day-to-day client communication.
The idea is to build a simple, private, web-based chat, similar in concept to WhatsApp, but fully under our control.
Visitors enter the website and see a chat boxNo phone number or user registration required
Each visitor gets a unique session/ID
A real human operator replies from an admin dashboard when available
Conversations are one-on-one and private
Messages may be stored for continuity (with limited retention) or not
The business provides massage services. ,some services are relaxation / therapeutic and others services may be sensual in nature, depending on location and local regulations. No illegal services, No minors, No explicit sexual content displayed on the website, Website copy would/could remain neutral and professional?, No pornographic images or explicit descriptions
I understand this places the project in a gray-area industry, which is why I’m trying to design both the technical stack and hosting setup carefully.
One of my biggest concerns is the chat itself. Even if the public-facing website is clean, users may, ask suggestive questions or use euphemisms or insinuations (e.g. “extra service”, “happy ending”, etc.)
Planned mitigation:
Keyword filtering
Automatic neutral disclaimer when the chat starts
Redirecting suggestive questions to non-explicit responses
Ability for the operator to close conversations
Avoiding explicit confirmations in writing
From your experience:
How much responsibility does the site owner have for what users type in private chats?
Is having a moderated private chat itself considered risky by hosting providers?
My understanding is that websites are rarely “banned” outright. Instead, issues usually come from hosting account suspensions ,cloud services (DB / real-time services) terminating projects, payment processors cutting access ,domains being affected only in extreme cases
Is this accurate?
What are the most common triggers you’ve seen for takedowns in similar cases?
Current options I’m considering:
Hosting:
VPS hosting (DigitalOcean, Vultr, Hetzner, etc.)
Avoiding shared hosting and “family-friendly” platforms
Backend
Supabase or Firebase for real-time chat
Leaning toward Supabase due to more flexibility
Is a VPS generally safer for gray-area projects?
Are some providers more tolerant as long as content is legal and non-explicit?
Any providers you’d recommend or avoid?
Another consideration is paying for hosting via crypto.
The idea would be use VPS providers that accept crypto (directly or via third-party processors). Possibly have the business handle payments rather than tying services to my personal identity with that reduce the risk of sudden shutdowns tied to payment accounts
Does paying with crypto actually reduce risk in practice, or is it mostly psychological?
Are there reputable VPS providers known for accepting crypto and being neutral toward gray-area industries?
Any downsides I should be aware of (support, disputes, KYC later, etc.)?
I’d really appreciate insights from anyone who has:
Built similar chat systems ,hosted projects in gray-area industries, dealt with hosting compliance or takedowns or used crypto-paid hosting in practice
Thanks in advance for any guidance or real-world experiences.