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Building a Mini Net

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by flymethod, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. flymethod

    flymethod Regular Member

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    I am wanting to build a "mini net". For simplicities sake lets say I had 3 mini authority sites as part of my tier 1 with 25-50 articles on specific niche related topics pointing to different pages of my money site.

    I know that you'd want to put them on different hosts to have different c class ips, name servers, rdns, and I guess private Whois as well. Anything I'm missing?

    Would it be pretty stupid to put adsense on the tier 1 mini authority sites since that adsense Id would be a way to identify me as the owner of all sites?

    I may have Answered my own question here...

    I just want to know if anybody has any experience with this. Either way I'm interested in building these mini authority sites.

    Am I better off if I want to put AdSense on the mini authority sites to not link them out at all to my money site and just have them as separate individual sites or not use adsense at all on the authority sites and use them strictly for back linking the money site and increasing their authority?

    I hope I've been clear. Thanks in advance.
     
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    pietpatat Regular Member

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    Make sure you don't only link to your moneysite, this leaves a huge footprint. Also put some links to some niche authority pages ( like wikipedia ) but only if it's not on the first page, you dont want to create extra competition.
     
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  3. flymethod

    flymethod Regular Member

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    Thanks for your reply. Yeah, I will be linking to other authority sites and not overdo it on linking to the money site.
     
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    madxseo Junior Member

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    you are right there buddy.. just beware of the footprints.. avoid leaving google a way to trace your activities..
     
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  5. flymethod

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    Yeah like the same adsense code on all the sites? Mega foot print eh?
     
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    The C'Class, nameservers etc. are there to try and obfuscate the fact of single ownership...

    So, it's a complete waste of time using them if you use the same AdSense publisher code on the tiered sites as you use on the main site. AdSense and Google Analytics etc. are clear data-connections and ownership registrations for Google to use.

    As a registrar, Google have access to a lot of domain info, so it's pretty hard to fool them; but don't make it easy for them!
     
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    Private Whois is a negative factor. Registration should be for different persons with addresses in different countries. Don't you have penpals?
     
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  8. ingobauer

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    A very powerful marketing method is by building mini net blogs to launch jacking sites. This is the process of using many different small blogs which are centered round your main website like satellites. It works to help you to improve traffic and spread your company over the Internet.The main site should be filled with all the products and information that your future customers will need. Once you have the base created you can start working towards building the mini net. These pages can be a lot smaller than the other website and detail specific items only.
     
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    There is only cicrumstantial evidence that Google cares how many websites you have and whether one owner owns all sites in any given network.
    One of the clients I have taken on from BHW in recent months has a 12 spoke 'net all registered in his own name, all ranking for a range of keywords across a broad niche.
    If the content is unique on each, and the purpose well defined and adhered to then it seems not to make a difference.

    If however you are thinking of "cheating the system" using very similar spun content across a network or doing anything overtly black hat, then you are drawing a connection between all your sites which I suggest would not be best practice.

    So whether you use adsense on them all, just one - or not at all - depends on your sites themselves.
    However, I would quantify that with the fact that Adsense - although a "safe converter" is not a "safe payer" and is - in most niches a very low payer.
    Google are notoriously bad at honouring Adsense over the long term. I was stiffed for many thousands of dollars a few years back, no explanation given other than "breach ot out terms and conditions" after a long battle they accused me of click spamming (something I didn't do). They eventually paid me 40% of the cash owed to me.

    Here's the killer though...

    They keep the rest themselves!
    They don't pay out to the adsense advertiser, they don't give it back to their adwords customer...they just keep it.
    Since 2011 I've struggled to find a niche where adsense is the best monetization option. For example - some clicks that paid $1.50 back in 2008 now pay 12 cents whereas monetizing with a good affiliate scheme or directly with a producer often pays 10x more than adsense. There is a fear that "It's easy to get people to click an ad - it costs them nothing and makes me money" however it also pays sod all, and if you get decent traffic a different monetization method nearly always is the better option - even if you start out less confident.

    Scritty
     
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    My advice ... and this comes from having just SEO hosted nearly 1000 blogs for around 8 months ...

    1) SEO hosting is overrated. Stick all your sites on 1 host.
    2) Stick your adsense on all your sites if they have legitimate, unique content (because you said your mini net is 3? That's not much)
    3) Interlink your sites, if they have legitimate, unique content.
    4) The benefits that you were looking for -- with tier1 supporting a main money site ... accomplish that with free web2.0s.

    I had large networks built of EMDs that linked to main money sites. It pretty much got slaughtered by the google updates.

    Don't bother with creating mini sites to support a main site. The reason is, if you're going to go through all that bother in creating similar sites in the same niche as a tier1, you might as well put all that content on your main money site. All other things equal, you'll get just as much benefit from building up free web2.0s which point to your money site as you will building up tier1s that you host yourself.

    As a side benefit, free hosts will rank better than new owned sites you create to build up as tier1, and they're free.

    I'd also agree with scritty that adsense isn't a good monetization method. Websites which run adsense are more scrutinized by Google.
     
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  11. Getwhatchuwant

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    This is an excellent point. As google is moving more towards authority I am not sure why the #1 option is not just to take your "big site" and make it a HUGE site?
    There are only so many new ideas you can come up with in a given niche so I would think putting your best work up on your money site is the best option.

    Another good idea, if you take the same care of the web 2.0 as you would the "satellite site" then I do not see why it could not carry good PR and authority to your main site, and its free! Also the benefit to some of these, liek Tumblr and Squiddo etc... they have built in communities and may get organic traffic from day 1 from community members....
     
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    Good info here, this will be helpful as I just bought some domains with the same idea.
     
  13. flymethod

    flymethod Regular Member

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    Thank you that makes sense.

    I see what you mean. Thank you.

    Yeah I read something about this recently where you have a site about "Sony Digital Cameras" that then links to a more specific product etc. Sounds a lot like what you're saying.

    Yeah I see what you're saying. I guess this isn't really "blackhat" in the sense that I was planning on using all good content. It wouldn't be as good as the money site, but it wouldn't be spun and it would be readable with good English and grammar.

    I guess if you're providing value to the reader you don't really need to hide yourself like if you had a blog network of hundreds or even thousands of sites with very "blackhat" intentions of really manipulating the SERPs with crappy content etc.

    I know what you mean about adsense as well. It does seem to pay shit. I've tried putting affiliate offers on my site, but haven't had much luck. I'm not really getting much traffic now. I'm only getting around 80-100 unique a day now.

    I got hit pretty hard with penguin. Before penguin I was getting pretty good traffic (about 20K a month). I know that's still very small compared to some sites, but it was starting to grow exponentially. For example, I'd have someone "stumble" (with authority) my site and have a day where I had 3K uniques in one day. I was just a bit of an SEO newb and didn't vary my anchor texts enough and was just doing what seemed to be working at the time. After Panda came and wiped a bunch of people away my site actually climbed so I just kept on doing what I was doing.

    Wow, I see you have a lot of experience with this. You're right it may be better to just use free hosts as this will be quality content that I plan to maintain and it shouldn't get deleted since it's providing value. I agree with them ranking easier to than a brand new site.

    Well I am in the process of trying to make my site an authority site. I am really particular about what I put on my money site. I'm by no means an expert, but my general niche is fitness. I've tried many different writers (some pretty expensive) and many times the information is just too generic or not exactly what I'm looking for.

    I realize now though that you really have to provide good specifications for what you want to get exactly what you want with an article kind of like software development. I make that connection because that's what I do for a living, and if someone gives me shitty specifications all I can do is build what I think they want or need. It's the same way with a writer and an article the less specifications you give them the more general/generic the article could be unless they themselves were an expert of the niche.

    I'm no professional writer either, but I do know a lot about fitness as it's been a passion/hobby of mine since 2005. I just don't really have time to write articles. I also don't mind paying a decent price for articles, but I can't really afford a niche expert either.