breakthecycle2 - doesn't pay for work

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Ok, so it's been almost 2 months, since I did a logo for his site: http://bidstealth.com Seemed like a cool guy at first.

This is the logo: http://impalersoftware.com/design/bidstealth2.png

Here's the skype log from the start to the point where I actually receive the payment, you can see he was satisfied with my work:
[4/30/2012 939 PM] RottenYellow: hey man, ur from BHW about the logo?
[4/30/2012 946 PM] BreakTheCycle2: yes sir
[4/30/2012 951 PM] BreakTheCycle2: how are you doing
[4/30/2012 9:46:02 PM] RottenYellow: hey, how are you? I'm doing great
[4/30/2012 9:46:10 PM] BreakTheCycle2: awesome dude
[4/30/2012 9:46:16 PM] RottenYellow: I though you found somebody else though, so I haven't started on it..
[4/30/2012 9:46:27 PM] BreakTheCycle2: its fine
[4/30/2012 9:46:34 PM] BreakTheCycle2: i stepped out before. Sorry
[4/30/2012 9:46:48 PM] RottenYellow: I can get on it within couple hours if u can wait, I gotta finish something
[4/30/2012 9:46:56 PM] RottenYellow: np man. is that cool?
[4/30/2012 9:47:15 PM] BreakTheCycle2: yeah dude. No rush
[4/30/2012 9:47:46 PM] RottenYellow: cool man, u'll be around in next few hours? I'll hit u up when I'm ready, ok?
[4/30/2012 9:47:57 PM] BreakTheCycle2: sounds good
[4/30/2012 9:48:03 PM] BreakTheCycle2: if im not, email me
[4/30/2012 9:48:08 PM] BreakTheCycle2: ******@gmail.com
[4/30/2012 9:48:16 PM] RottenYellow: cool man, I'll talk to you then
[4/30/2012 9:48:20 PM] BreakTheCycle2: ok
[4/30/2012 9:48:22 PM] BreakTheCycle2: thanks
[4/30/2012 9:48:26 PM] RottenYellow: np man
[5/1/2012 357 AM] RottenYellow: hey man, I recently got back, sorry. Going to start it in a sec
[5/1/2012 314 AM] BreakTheCycle2: its ok man
[5/1/2012 315 AM] BreakTheCycle2: no rush
[5/1/2012 333 AM] RottenYellow: cool
[5/1/2012 545 AM] RottenYellow: hey, u around?
[5/1/2012 559 AM] BreakTheCycle2: yes
[5/1/2012 513 AM] RottenYellow: ok I got a sketch
[5/1/2012 517 AM] BreakTheCycle2: ok
[5/1/2012 523 AM] RottenYellow: but I still haven't came up with the logo itself
[5/1/2012 529 AM] *** RottenYellow sent logo_1.png ***
[5/1/2012 544 AM] RottenYellow: the text doesn't have any fades/shadows ether
[5/1/2012 505 AM] RottenYellow: I'm thinking something similar for the logo itself (the icon)
[5/1/2012 519 AM] RottenYellow: but make it smoother and better looking
[5/1/2012 541 AM] RottenYellow: accept the file
[5/1/2012 545 AM] RottenYellow: remember this is just a sketch, want to make sure we're going the same direction
[5/1/2012 508 AM] BreakTheCycle2: thats pretty good man
[5/1/2012 530 AM] RottenYellow: cool. should the icon stay the same (the idea)?
[5/1/2012 543 AM] BreakTheCycle2: I think so, its kinda cool
[5/1/2012 545 AM] RottenYellow: i'm thinking make it a little 3d, add depth to the icon
[5/1/2012 553 AM] BreakTheCycle2: yes that would be awesome
[5/1/2012 556 AM] RottenYellow: so it would look like it's inside the square
[5/1/2012 501 AM] RottenYellow: like comming out
[5/1/2012 513 AM] RottenYellow: what about text, are you fine with the layout?
[5/1/2012 522 AM] BreakTheCycle2: yes that seems just fine
[5/1/2012 526 AM] BreakTheCycle2: awesome so far
[5/1/2012 559 AM] RottenYellow: great, if you got anything else you would want to add let me know, I'm going to mess around with it more, thinking on going to sleep seen
[5/1/2012 501 AM] RottenYellow: soon*
[5/1/2012 519 AM] RottenYellow: what about colors? leave in monochrome?
[5/1/2012 531 AM] BreakTheCycle2: yes the monochrome is cool i think
[5/1/2012 534 AM] RottenYellow: ok cool
[5/1/2012 5:16:58 AM] BreakTheCycle2: i love it so far
[5/1/2012 510 AM] RottenYellow: glad to hear it
[5/1/2012 525 AM] BreakTheCycle2: Good job so far
[5/1/2012 539 AM] RottenYellow: thanks, once the depth and shadows are added gonna look even better
[5/1/2012 545 AM] BreakTheCycle2: awesome man. Thank you so much
[5/1/2012 555 AM] RottenYellow: np man, glad I can help
[5/1/2012 5:47:44 AM] *** RottenYellow sent logo_2.png ***
[5/1/2012 5:47:49 AM] RottenYellow: little improvement
[5/1/2012 5:48:04 AM] RottenYellow: looks kinda cool with a little acenting color
[5/1/2012 601 AM] RottenYellow: hey man, I'm gonna hit the bed. I'll talk to you tomorrow, let me know what needs to be changed and I'll fix it in the morning. here's the image so far: http://impalersoftware.com/design/bidstealth2.png peace!
[5/5/2012 1051 PM] RottenYellow: hey man, u wanna take a look at the logo so we can finish it up?
[5/6/2012 2:39:01 AM] RottenYellow: yo, what's going on?
[5/6/2012 208 PM] RottenYellow: listen, I spent two hours doing work for you. Ether you respond today or I'm going to take action. I'm a coder, I can easily track you down, I already got your IP and your facebook page.
[5/6/2012 6:42:22 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Take action? Go for it. i havent been signed on, now you want to be a dick? You have no idea who I am
[5/6/2012 6:43:16 PM] RottenYellow: just answer what's going on, dude, I asked you so many times and you never got back to me, it takes like 10seconds to look at the logo at say if I need to fix it or no
[5/6/2012 6:43:31 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Let me see it again
[5/6/2012 6:43:40 PM] RottenYellow: u got a link?
[5/6/2012 6:43:50 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Link for what?
[5/6/2012 6:43:55 PM] RottenYellow: to the logo?
[5/6/2012 607 PM] BreakTheCycle2: oh no..can you send it to me again
[5/6/2012 611 PM] RottenYellow: http://impalersoftware.com/design/Br2.png
[5/6/2012 628 PM] RottenYellow: doesn't have to be green, I just put it in to see how it looks
[5/6/2012 635 PM] BreakTheCycle2: oh shit...I thought you were someone else!! Im sorry dude!!
[5/6/2012 642 PM] RottenYellow: b&w seems so much better
[5/6/2012 644 PM] RottenYellow: lol np
[5/6/2012 653 PM] BreakTheCycle2: I like it
[5/6/2012 604 PM] RottenYellow: anything you would like to change?
[5/6/2012 616 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Do you think we should add a little color?
[5/6/2012 620 PM] BreakTheCycle2: or no?
[5/6/2012 6:46:05 PM] RottenYellow: I personaly think the b&w looks much better, but it's up to you, I don't like much color in designs in general. Also we might wanna match color with the site, but I'm not sure what color scheme are u gonna go since it looks like site is still in progress
[5/6/2012 6:46:27 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Yeah this si true
[5/6/2012 6:46:42 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Lets go with this one
[5/6/2012 6:46:49 PM] *** RottenYellow sent logo_3.png ***
[5/6/2012 6:47:01 PM] RottenYellow: this is the b&w one without shadings
[5/6/2012 6:47:04 PM] RottenYellow: I like this one the best
[5/6/2012 6:47:54 PM] BreakTheCycle2: What would th ehammer look like in red? Can you try? Also give me your paypal, so I can pay you
[5/6/2012 6:48:25 PM] RottenYellow: I'll make it in red in a sec, do you want me to modify the shaded logo or you like it plain like I just sent you?
[5/6/2012 6:48:49 PM] RottenYellow: notice the black square has some depth and shadings in here: http://impalersoftware.com/design/Br3.png
[5/6/2012 6:48:54 PM] RottenYellow: but not in the file I sent u
[5/6/2012 6:49:07 PM] BreakTheCycle2: No I like the plain
[5/6/2012 6:49:17 PM] RottenYellow: cool, ok give me a sec
[5/6/2012 6:49:20 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Oh wait..no the shaded
[5/6/2012 6:49:23 PM] BreakTheCycle2: sorry!
[5/6/2012 6:49:31 PM] RottenYellow: np so I change the color for shaded?
[5/6/2012 6:49:38 PM] BreakTheCycle2: yes please
[5/6/2012 6:49:45 PM] RottenYellow: cool, 1sec
[5/6/2012 6:51:43 PM] *** RottenYellow sent logo_4.png ***
[5/6/2012 6:51:52 PM] RottenYellow: should the red be brighter?
[5/6/2012 6:52:01 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Just a tad, but I like it
[5/6/2012 6:52:10 PM] RottenYellow: ok 1sec
[5/6/2012 6:53:16 PM] *** RottenYellow sent logo_5.png ***
[5/6/2012 6:53:25 PM] RottenYellow: i made it a little brighter
[5/6/2012 6:53:30 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Perfet!
[5/6/2012 6:53:33 PM] RottenYellow: nice
[5/6/2012 6:53:43 PM] RottenYellow: anything else?
[5/6/2012 6:54:10 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Question, would you be able to throw it on the site or tell me how? Ive done logos before, but in wordpress its a little different
[5/6/2012 6:54:15 PM] BreakTheCycle2: wahts your paypal?
[5/6/2012 6:54:40 PM] RottenYellow: yeah man, I'm a web developer as well, I can do that for you
[5/6/2012 6:54:45 PM] BreakTheCycle2: ok cool
[5/6/2012 6:54:46 PM] RottenYellow: paypal: ****@impalersoftware.com

I uploaded the logo to the site, received cash, then few days later I get a paypal dispute:
[5/7/2012 1015 PM] RottenYellow: yo, I just logged into my paypal and it says that you claimed a dispute, as a result my paypal is overdrafted. any idea what's going on?
[5/7/2012 1104 PM] BreakTheCycle2: I didnt do anything, Paypal fucking did it for some reason. I think because it's differemt countries. I called them and they said they are reviewing it
[5/7/2012 1143 PM] RottenYellow: hmm that's strange, I receive money internationaly all the time, hope they clear it soon
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[5/8/2012 927 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Ill get you paid for the logo again too
[5/8/2012 945 PM] RottenYellow: let me check, maybe they cleared the dispute
..
[5/8/2012 9:04:18 PM] RottenYellow: yeah they still haven't cleared it
[5/8/2012 906 PM] BreakTheCycle2: yes
[5/8/2012 914 PM] BreakTheCycle2: I need a checkout like that
[5/8/2012 926 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Paypal is a bunch of assholes
[5/8/2012 939 PM] BreakTheCycle2: They havent given the money back from me either
[5/8/2012 948 PM] RottenYellow: yeah man, they worry me, never had problem with them before but heard all the horror stories
[5/8/2012 950 PM] BreakTheCycle2: Ill call them but either way, Ill get you paid

Even though I provided all the evidence to paypal, they returned cash to him:

[5/27/2012 11:03:29 AM] RottenYellow: yo! paypal returned the cash to you, can I get the $20 for the logo now?
[5/30/2012 2:51:00 AM] BreakTheCycle2: Seriously? How do you know
[5/30/2012 318 AM] RottenYellow: I got an email:
[5/30/2012 319 AM] RottenYellow:
We've concluded our investigation into the transaction detailed below.

We've returned the funds to the PayPal account holder, and your account
will be debited for the amount of this transaction.
[6/6/2012 620 PM] RottenYellow: so can I finally get my $20? lol
[6/7/2012 221 AM] BreakTheCycle2: what was it for again man? Paypal is a bunch of assholes
[6/7/2012 240 AM] RottenYellow: the logo for bidding site
[6/7/2012 2:41:33 AM] BreakTheCycle2: ahhh
[6/7/2012 2:41:45 AM] BreakTheCycle2: whats yoru email address so I can send it to you
[6/7/2012 2:41:48 AM] BreakTheCycle2: very very sorry man
[6/7/2012 2:42:01 AM] RottenYellow: np man, ****@impalersoftware.com

Never got the cash, so I asked again:

[6/8/2012 126 AM] RottenYellow: yo, never sent thous $20 lol
[6/8/2012 143 AM] BreakTheCycle2: Yeah i sure didnt lol
[6/8/2012 159 AM] BreakTheCycle2: Im on my way home. Ill do it then. I promise
[6/8/2012 105 AM] RottenYellow: cool

Haven't seen him on skype since then, so I decided to write an email, to which I never got a response:
Hey man, it's been at least a month and you still haven't sent me the $20 lol. don't you think it's disrespectful since I spent hours on the logo and got nothing in return? Here's my paypal again: ****@impalersoftware.com

Thanks

Today I went on 'Hire a Freelancer' and noticed that he has posted a post and called him out: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/hire-freelancer/451475-wtb-fake-id-verification-only.html

Then I got a PM from another member, which I guess is his second account 'D4RK KNIGHT':
Hello I saw a post where you edited some ones logo then you could edit there ID even if its from a differnt state if you wanted to. I have taken a image and edited my self making it a blank template.

Im not a newb with photoshop but to complete the rest would take more than the average skill probably.

What I am doing is editing a social security card. One that looks around 25 years old.

I have made one completly blank just needing to edit the rest with the information.

you tell me the price for the job. There isnt much to do except add the number, name, and name signature. But if you did want to finish the rest I couldnt pay you untill my paypal account is setup to send you the funds for the job. I know your sick of hearing that but I would send you the money once everything is setup and ready.

Let me know if this is ok with you and you want to do it. Then I will send you the image and tell you what information to on it.

Thanks.


Still no payment. All this nonsense just because I had a hosting payment coming, my paypal was empty, so I though I'm just gonna do a mini project to cover the bill, lol
 
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Don't think anyone will be doing any work for him from that thread anymore... ;)
 
so instead of locking the other thread as OldSalt suggested, it got deleted and instead of BreakTheCycle2 getting banned so he doesn't rip off others (you can obviouslly tell that he had problems with other people from the chatlog, not just me) he just chills online? fucking score!

What's the point of shitlist if it's not taken care of? Is there a limit how much someone has to rip you off for, before something gets done? redicilous
 
so instead of locking the other thread as OldSalt suggested, it got deleted and instead of BreakTheCycle2 getting banned so he doesn't rip off others (you can obviouslly tell that he had problems with other people from the chatlog, not just me) he just chills online? fucking score!

What's the point of shitlist if it's not taken care of? Is there a limit how much someone has to rip you off for, before something gets done? redicilous

Whoa... chill a little bit. A mod just deleted the other thread - that doesn't mean that this SL has concluded. Mods generally don't jump on SL threads right away - they give them a little time to 'percolate'... If 5 days or so go by without a Mod stopping in and posting in here, send a PM to one that you recognize or that you see online and give them the URL and ask if they could take a few minutes to check it over. Again, give it time and there's a good chance they will.

At that point they will 'start the clock' on BreakTheCycle2 to give him time to respond.

This isn't over yet, just give it the time it needs... k?
 
Almost a month has passed, I contacted multiple mods, yet still nothing has been done lol, nice.
 
breakthecycle2 was permbanned, he was also known as Dysfunction. He is not, however, D4RK KNIGHT, at least as far as I can tell.
 
Almost a month has passed, I contacted multiple mods, yet still nothing has been done lol, nice.

Rotten, glad to see things ended up with the perma-ban - as expected... but keep in mind that even when you msg a mod, they have ALOT on their plate with these forums and that's not even taking into effect what could be going on in their lives outside of here... so when you PM a mod, if it's been a few days - they were just busy when you sent it - it happens. It's not like any of them were ignoring you on purpose... k?
 
I can say from my own experience that mods of bhw working fine and doing very good job. They are always very helpful and not biased towards any one ever. I am feeling sorry for OP, who done a job but face this type of payment dispute. I think you should send all discussion details to paypal with emails received and chat messages. 90% if you have submitted proper documents to paypal, paypal will give you funds.
 
I can say from my own experience that mods of bhw working fine and doing very good job. They are always very helpful and not biased towards any one ever. I am feeling sorry for OP, who done a job but face this type of payment dispute. I think you should send all discussion details to paypal with emails received and chat messages. 90% if you have submitted proper documents to paypal, paypal will give you funds.

MrX,

1) Op was the seller - he created a logo for breakthecycle2, got paid for the logo via PayPal and breakthecycle2 disputed the payment and as often is the case with PP, the buyer (breakthecycle2) won the dispute even though the seller (RottenYellow) had provided the proper service.

2) Look at the timeline - we're talking over 2 months ago. Even if it was disputable again (it isn't), it would be beyond the time that you could dispute it.

3) Fortunately for RottenYellow - it was only a small amount that he lost. - just $20
 
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