bertbaby
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Breaking the sleeping pattern
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Aulig
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Uh what? Do you have any sources for that? All studies I could find show that polyphasic sleep increases productivity. And you do enter the REM phase in many polyphasic sleep patterns, for example the triphasic one.
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I can't go polyphasic, as I said, I don't like formulas that can make me fulfill my "morning" duties. I cannot be "attached" to sleep strings that happen maybe, in the middle of the morning.
I read also about the "chronotherapy", don't know how useful it might be, but essentially is programming for 1 week or 10 days some sleeping patterns. For example I saw this model on reddit:
Night #1: Fall asleep at 4AM, wake at 12PM.
Night #2: Fall asleep at 7AM, wake at 3PM.
Night #3: Fall asleep at 10AM, wake at 6PM.
Night #4: Fall asleep at 1PM, wake at 9PM.
Night #5: Fall asleep at 4PM, wake at 12AM
Night #6: Fall asleep at 7PM, wake at 3AM.
Night #7: Fall asleep at 10PM, wake at 6AM.
And theoretically this guy comments that after doing this process he was able to "reset" his circadian system, and he was able to keep it consistent at 10PM til 6AM permanently something that would be wonders for me. I taking note of this because in the next "holidays" I have I might try it also
Today my holidays start until 10th June. So I will start trying the Chronotherapy I mentioned in this posts. I will be commenting progress during this 7 nights
If things go right, maybe someone having similar issues, could profit
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That could also be an alternative. The problem is sweating with exercise now and them (specially taking powernaps and exercising after lunch)
instahut
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Humans are creatures of habit. Habits can take anywhere from a couple days to 3 weeks of constant repetition to form. I’ve research this topic very deeply. People’s sleep preferences are also partly dictated by our individual brain chemistry and genetic makeup. That being said, most successful people I know wake up early and tend to sleep sporadically. But they all wake up early.
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I'm about to finish today Day 3, going to bed at 10AM
I have to say that the first day going to bed at 4AM I was very optimistic about this whole idea and thought this was going to be a piece of cake.
But the second day the things started to change. Staying awake on a work-day until 7AM was a little bit more difficult that I expected.
Today, Saturday I could have simply go and party, but I think that this could only worsen the stability I'm trying to achieve.
Now I'm writing at 6AM so still 4 hours left to go to bed, a little bit sleepy but nothing that harsh
Having 3-4 extra hours a day, feels something strange, because it seems that I can do plenty of things: I can work hard the first 8-10 hours of the day, and then I have like 9-11 extra hours to do whatever I prefer.
In the last months, I could hardly find an hour to play some videogames because I was always on a rush (most of the time, going to bed soon and waking up late, like 9 hour sleep). Now I've been playing in the last 2 days for 3 hours some videogames and I did not feel guilty at all. It's like doing the right thing because I'm too tired to keep working, I've done all the chores, and still have 4 or 5 hours of spare time that if I lay down I will fall asleep.
So what could be better to get into some gaming action? I could also spend a pair of hours binge-watching guiltless.
I have to say that the first day going to bed at 4AM I was very optimistic about this whole idea and thought this was going to be a piece of cake.
But the second day the things started to change. Staying awake on a work-day until 7AM was a little bit more difficult that I expected.
Today, Saturday I could have simply go and party, but I think that this could only worsen the stability I'm trying to achieve.
Now I'm writing at 6AM so still 4 hours left to go to bed, a little bit sleepy but nothing that harsh
Having 3-4 extra hours a day, feels something strange, because it seems that I can do plenty of things: I can work hard the first 8-10 hours of the day, and then I have like 9-11 extra hours to do whatever I prefer.
In the last months, I could hardly find an hour to play some videogames because I was always on a rush (most of the time, going to bed soon and waking up late, like 9 hour sleep). Now I've been playing in the last 2 days for 3 hours some videogames and I did not feel guilty at all. It's like doing the right thing because I'm too tired to keep working, I've done all the chores, and still have 4 or 5 hours of spare time that if I lay down I will fall asleep.
So what could be better to get into some gaming action? I could also spend a pair of hours binge-watching guiltless.
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Follow up for day 4.
This is starting to go a little bit uphill at this moment
I'm writing this at ~5AM and I'm already feeling sleepy (only 11 hours after I woke up today, so I'm halfway through this day)
The biggest issue, as I expected, is that my 8 hour sleeps are being a little bit poor because of the inconsistency of the sleep timetable (rotating everyday 3 hours). And having to endure for 19 hours straight forward is really harsh.
Today is equator of this adventure and still don't know if I'm going to be able to make it. What I didn't read if I could take a power nap in the middle of any of the days to recover a little bit.
The uncertainty is the key.
This is starting to go a little bit uphill at this moment
I'm writing this at ~5AM and I'm already feeling sleepy (only 11 hours after I woke up today, so I'm halfway through this day)
The biggest issue, as I expected, is that my 8 hour sleeps are being a little bit poor because of the inconsistency of the sleep timetable (rotating everyday 3 hours). And having to endure for 19 hours straight forward is really harsh.
Today is equator of this adventure and still don't know if I'm going to be able to make it. What I didn't read if I could take a power nap in the middle of any of the days to recover a little bit.
The uncertainty is the key.
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Day 5 on the go. Writing this @ 8AM (11 hours after I woke up)
Similarly to yesterday, really harsh to keep it up but possible. The problem, contrarily to what I thought, is that the brain is completely disturbed. I can't hardly concentrate. Except for the 2 first days my performance, have drop significantly.
This said, I thought it could be useful to cycle this every month or so, but now I'm seeing that is a really bad idea.
As some users suggested, playing with sleep pattern for performance is not the way.
Anyway, I must remind, that the idea behind Chronotherapy is not about sleeping less and having more time (as I expected), but moving the circadian rhythms in order to have a timetable adequate to our common culture (from early in the morning til night not too late)
Similarly to yesterday, really harsh to keep it up but possible. The problem, contrarily to what I thought, is that the brain is completely disturbed. I can't hardly concentrate. Except for the 2 first days my performance, have drop significantly.
This said, I thought it could be useful to cycle this every month or so, but now I'm seeing that is a really bad idea.
As some users suggested, playing with sleep pattern for performance is not the way.
Anyway, I must remind, that the idea behind Chronotherapy is not about sleeping less and having more time (as I expected), but moving the circadian rhythms in order to have a timetable adequate to our common culture (from early in the morning til night not too late)
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The same with me, also the book The Miracle Morning made me more productive and happy.
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6th day in this super-weird adventure, and only 2 days to go.
Today I've been completely blown up with a little mistake: I forgot to remove an old alarm that rang two hours before leaving bed. So essentially I had to wake up in only 6 hours of sleep time meaning that today I have to be awake for a total of 21 hours (totally devastating after this harsh week).
The good part is that this therapy is about to end so I just have to endure the final stretch (3 nights more)
I'm not sure how is going to be the next days, but I've found some curious things.
1. My sleep pattern has changed 100%: Now I want to go to bed with anxiety and after sleeping, I want to leave as soon as possible. Completely the opposite of what it used to be before starting that it was hard to go to bed and nearly impossible to leave the bed after sleeping.
2. My sleep is different: I've been having some nightmares, but they are not a big deal. Before I started, when I had a nightware I woke up a little bit influenced by the bad dream, but now it's completely irrelevant, in fact, is a little bit comforting (by the fact of knowing I've been in bed for that long)
3. Overall, I appreciate a little bit more, the bed. Somehow I'm feeling that despite this is really harsh, this is partially a good ascetic action. Now I'm feeling that I've been taking for granted the whole act of going to bed all my life.
Today I've been completely blown up with a little mistake: I forgot to remove an old alarm that rang two hours before leaving bed. So essentially I had to wake up in only 6 hours of sleep time meaning that today I have to be awake for a total of 21 hours (totally devastating after this harsh week).
The good part is that this therapy is about to end so I just have to endure the final stretch (3 nights more)
I'm not sure how is going to be the next days, but I've found some curious things.
1. My sleep pattern has changed 100%: Now I want to go to bed with anxiety and after sleeping, I want to leave as soon as possible. Completely the opposite of what it used to be before starting that it was hard to go to bed and nearly impossible to leave the bed after sleeping.
2. My sleep is different: I've been having some nightmares, but they are not a big deal. Before I started, when I had a nightware I woke up a little bit influenced by the bad dream, but now it's completely irrelevant, in fact, is a little bit comforting (by the fact of knowing I've been in bed for that long
)3. Overall, I appreciate a little bit more, the bed. Somehow I'm feeling that despite this is really harsh, this is partially a good ascetic action. Now I'm feeling that I've been taking for granted the whole act of going to bed all my life.
GodAlmighty
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why not try to do like Kramer in seinfeld?
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There is a lot of research on the topic:
https://www.supermemo.com/en/archives1990-2015/articles/polyphasic2010
I wouldn't take too seriously the polyphasic sleep. I read for a dozen bloggers trying and 100% have withdrawn it.
I've never read a successful case of the 6 sleep process
Most of the polyphasic sleep advocates only go for a 3-phasic sleep or something like that: one 4 hour sleep in the night and 2 little periods of sleep in the evening for a total of 8 hours
Essentially the same as sleeping a monophasic 8-hour
I have a friend that do a biphasic sleep: 5 hours in the night and 2 hours after lunch. He works from 7AM til 3PM lunch at 3.30PM and go to sleep around 4PM til 6PM. He can stay until late at night 1.30AM or something like that playing videogames that he likes a lot.
But I don't like this, I prefer to sleep all at once, so this is why I'm trying the chronotherapy currently. To see if I can readjust a little bit my circadian rhythms.
ericthekingslayer
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your biological clock will go nuts and will end up having higher sugar and cholesterol level in your blood. may not good in long run.
h4tcargo
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I think you should struggle a bit and try to get into the rhythm for a few weeks, and your body will get used to it. I used to work night shifts mixed with afternoon shifts and was always an owl, or so I thought so. I switched my work schedule, to start from 8-10 in the morning now and it took me only a month or so to get used to it.
You should try to fix your routine with the family,so you can spend more time with them, and work while they're working, so they dont bother you
You should try to fix your routine with the family,so you can spend more time with them, and work while they're working, so they dont bother you
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