Blasting web20 with SB still viable now?

in the past, my link campeign was to build my tier 1 backlinks with web20 and blasted them with SB AA list that i found here on bhw. It worked great and i was climbing the rankings and then penguin happened and all my sites got slapped. I did use otehr methods and purchased some fiverrs so i am not 100percent sure which backlinking method i used that got me slapped by google.

So i wanna start my web20 campaign again and build my 3rd teir with sb and bookmarks. To be safe, my web20 is all unique content with KW density at 1-2percent and 1-2 links pointing to my money site.

any suggestions and feedback is greatly appreciated.

Yea I wouldn't suggest scrapebox blasting the Tier 1 web 2.0s. I think having another buffer layer of articles/web2.0s/wikis in T2, and then blasting the shit outta T2 with a third tier of SB/xrumer/shitty links.

I'll prefer to build scrapebox as third tier backlinks, social bookmark as second tier and web 2.0 as first tier. Make sure to use keyword like click here, visit this site, "raw links", to be safe with google.

politico said:

Yea I wouldn't suggest scrapebox blasting the Tier 1 web 2.0s. I think having another buffer layer of articles/web2.0s/wikis in T2, and then blasting the shit outta T2 with a third tier of SB/xrumer/shitty links.

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another buffer tier sounds good. thnx for the quick reply

dragon77 said:

I'll prefer to build scrapebox as third tier backlinks, social bookmark as second tier and web 2.0 as first tier. Make sure to use keyword like click here, visit this site, "raw links", to be safe with google.

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Pligg sites with PR should be safe to point to web's 2.0 tier 1?.

I think you'd best just mix up a bit of everything pointing to my 2.0s.. wikis, bookmarks, blog comments, etc. try and keep it natural looking.

GiorgioB said:

I think you'd best just mix up a bit of everything pointing to my 2.0s.. wikis, bookmarks, blog comments, etc. try and keep it natural looking.

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Yeah I agree, why limit yourself to just one type of backlink for a certain tier. You just introduce possible future footprints and lose out on linking juice/diversity.

For me personally:
1st Tier: video, documents, powerpoint, manual blog comments, web 2.0, moderated article, etc. all with unique content.
2nd Tier: High pr social bookmarks (no pligg), high pr 4+ wikis, pr 1+ web 2.0s, articles, etc. with highly spun, readable content that passes some moderation.
3rd Tier: Social bookmarks (pligg), wiki, articles, web 2.0, low obl scapebox comments, etc.

If you don't want to be affected the same way as every other user, don't build backlinks like every other user. Take it 1 step further. Just my opinion.

Also, I don't backlink to bookmarks at all. For me, that just screams unnatural. I mean imagine a real bookmark, who on earth would naturally backlink to a social bookmark?? (maybe some real users do, but it just seems unnatural to me). I like to keep it as natural as possible even if google isn't using it as a possible footprint (future-proofing). Another reason I don't backlink bookmarks is a lot of them have dynamic urls which change and slips into their archive over time and all the links pointing to it becomes useless.

tranza said:

Pligg sites with PR should be safe to point to web's 2.0 tier 1?.

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I sometimes use high PR pligg to my tier 1s just to mix things up a bit. Never had a problem with it but I generally use them for my tier 2s.

TwistedSEO said:

Yeah I agree, why limit yourself to just one type of backlink for a certain tier. You just introduce possible future footprints and lose out on linking juice/diversity.

For me personally:
1st Tier: video, documents, powerpoint, manual blog comments, web 2.0, moderated article, etc. all with unique content.
2nd Tier: High pr social bookmarks (no pligg), high pr 4+ wikis, pr 1+ web 2.0s, articles, etc. with highly spun, readable content that passes some moderation.
3rd Tier: Social bookmarks (pligg), wiki, articles, web 2.0, low obl scapebox comments, etc.

If you don't want to be affected the same way as every other user, don't build backlinks like every other user. Take it 1 step further. Just my opinion.

Also, I don't backlink to bookmarks at all. For me, that just screams unnatural. I mean imagine a real bookmark, who on earth would naturally backlink to a social bookmark?? (maybe some real users do, but it just seems unnatural to me). I like to keep it as natural as possible even if google isn't using it as a possible footprint (future-proofing). Another reason I don't backlink bookmarks is a lot of them have dynamic urls which change and slips into their archive over time and all the links pointing to it becomes useless.

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I usually create 2-3 web 2.0s which i actually use as quite good satellite sites that build contextual backlinks as well as drive a bit of traffic to the money site. I even try to get those sites ranking, but blast them nice and regularly with pliggs and sometimes like wikis, blog comments, etc.. for now it works ok on the money site, i take it easy though its not a very old one.

Could be used as 2nd tier, but only with OBL - no more than 35-40 external links

I'm fairly new, but I can join in with the chorus of naysayers. Seems like SB blast should be reserved for third or fourth tiers to be on the safe side. Seems unsustainable even then though...

My impression is that blasts are now pretty much useless, even for higher tiers. If they are harmful for t1, why should they be good for t2&3?
I'd suggest to do it medium: Just 10-20 links per Web2.0 entity in the lowest tier, build up over time. This is more natural and 20-30% of the entities should have pr1/2 each which is sufficient for me.

Stufferizer said:

My impression is that blasts are now pretty much useless, even for higher tiers. If they are harmful for t1, why should they be good for t2&3?
I'd suggest to do it medium: Just 10-20 links per Web2.0 entity in the lowest tier, build up over time. This is more natural and 20-30% of the entities should have pr1/2 each which is sufficient for me.

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They are usually only harmful for lower tiers because the blast is felt more strongly. (doesn't have to be but too many people still think more is better).

An example is this. Let's say you have 50 Tier 1 links you want to blast and you order a small package of 10,000 comment links. That's 200 links pointing to each property which is enough for google to classify as significant and could potentially affect that tier 1 properties link portfolio if the backlinks have high obl or linking to bad neighborhoods.

Now let's say you did the exact same blast to 1000 Tier 2 links.. that same blast only gives 10 comments to each property on average, which may or may not be enough for google to draw any conclusions from. Try to imagine each property as if it were your own site. Would 10 "bad" links hurt your site? probably not. Will 200 bad links cause google to raise a flag? Who knows... it depends on many factors like your website age, backlink profile, etc. But I do know that 10 bad links is not going to have the same effect or footprint as 200.

Blasting to higher tiers allows larger blasts without "harming" any of the individual properties. It is also great for getting these higher tiers indexed (which is what I use it for mostly). Again this is just my opinion and I know there will be people who have different opinions regarding this. Another benefit of comments in the higher tiers is that it adds a bit of randomness to the depth of your link structure. If you have tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3... all your links end at 3 tiers leaving a huge footprint on your structure. If you add blog comments to the "tip" of your tiers, it adds a bit of randomness to the depth of your pyramid since blog comment pages could be backlinked by who knows how many other sites.

I try to maintain a ratio of all link types for every tier, but the further away I get from my money site, the higher the ratio of "bad/lower" quality to high quality. But I never eliminate any link type in any of my tiers. You want a good compromise between quantity and naturalness/randomness when building your links (unless your promoting a churn and burn site and don't care how long it survives). I would gladly reduce my overall linking speed by 50% if it meant I could eliminate 50% more footprints.

I've been doing it successfully for years (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...lueprint-senuke-amr-bmd-xrumer-scrapebox.html)

Stufferizer said:

My impression is that blasts are now pretty much useless, even for higher tiers. If they are harmful for t1, why should they be good for t2&3?
I'd suggest to do it medium: Just 10-20 links per Web2.0 entity in the lowest tier, build up over time. This is more natural and 20-30% of the entities should have pr1/2 each which is sufficient for me.

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actually i find SB links have an impact on rankings right away which is why i always bookmark new posts/articles from my tier 1. I don't know about the long term though. I just think that they can easily leave a footprint. That's why I have a web 2.0 to act as a buffer between money site and sb. But i wouldn't say its useless at all, far from it.

Automated links with random or spun content is not going to work really well going forward for any tier. Find good content solutions rather than bad backlink solutions and you will be miles ahead in this new SEO game.

I use SB on tier one sites - I just don't "Blast" which is a numb nuts idea these days.

Just because "blasting" doesn't work so well any more - it doesn't mean you can't use the same tools in a far better way - or that suddenly they are bad tools.
Avoid circulated AA lists (most of them contain 100% shit sites)
High PR, on niche, low OBL scrapebox runs with a good spread of anchor text, deep linking individual articles in your WEB20 sites as well as the root with a decent length tailored comment...

This works better than ever.

250k blast = not so much

Scritty

I don't think you can do Web 2.0 with SB anymore. I could be wrong though.

Scritty said:

I use SB on tier one sites - I just don't "Blast" which is a numb nuts idea these days.

Just because "blasting" doesn't work so well any more - it doesn't mean you can't use the same tools in a far better way - or that suddenly they are bad tools.
Avoid circulated AA lists (most of them contain 100% shit sites)
High PR, on niche, low OBL scrapebox runs with a good spread of anchor text, deep linking individual articles in your WEB20 sites as well as the root with a decent length tailored comment...

This works better than ever.

250k blast = not so much

Scritty

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Yep, the tools can still work well combined with good content solutions.