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Blast competitors = Sandbox?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by HarrisonHill, Dec 26, 2011.

  1. HarrisonHill

    HarrisonHill Regular Member

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    First of all, I want to say that I'm in IM for a long time, I've been reading BHW, I've been reading articles, I've been reading ebooks, I've been experimenting myself and now I can say, that I know SEO, I know backlinking strategies, I know pretty much what I need to know. (Thanks BHW ;) )

    But there's an unanswered question that bothers me every time. Everyone is talking "Don't blast scrapebox directly to your site, google will slap you" "Don't blast xrumer directly to your site, google will deindex you".

    This question has been asked probably more times, than "How to make money online" on the internet since it was made. So the question is, If blasting sb and xr directly to my site will penalize it, why not to blast my competitors' sites and get them out of index? From what I've read, everybody says - "If blasting your competitors will deindex them, everyone will do that, so it won't". Then why not to direct blast my domains? I know, google may "detect" if it's you, or your competitor, if you are using the same IP, same browser, but when you use VPN or proxies with desktop software which google doesn't know where it's located or who is using it, how the hell google will know if it's you or your competitor?

    I know, there's been lot of talk about this, but I never read any helpful answer. I never blasted my competitors sites, because in my opinion - it will help their SERPs. If anyone has experience in this, can you tell us, what's the answer? Why our sites will be penalized by direct blasts while blasting competitors won't affect them in a bad way?
     
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    welly_59 Power Member

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    have a look at my thread where im running scrapebox directly on my site. I'm too lazy to search for it now, just click on my profile instead
     
  3. pirondi

    pirondi Power Member

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    It has been some months that i sandboxed some competitors doing tests with scrapebox and profile links since them i didnt used it because i dont think is fair.

    It can work mainly on new sites.
     
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    and the thread is?
     
  5. novel92

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    well i think you can get new sites with a bad link profile sandboxed...

    but i think it will not work if you go for an aged site with strong and different types backlinks.

    you will probably notice that the site you are trying to sandbox will disappear for 2-3 weeks... but it will come back with better rankings if not already at #1

    to be honest... i do not care about competitors because it is all about you... wheter you work hard or you spent much money in your site... u will achieve the goal
     
  6. Getwhatchuwant

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    Just a thought and definately not proven but if a site suddenly gets a large volume of links why wouldn't that trigger a "manual review"? I feel that at that point someone can evaluate the site and determine where the site truly belongs vs it's competition. That may be why some sites get buried and others do not. Just thinking out loud here...
     
  7. ILoveCSharp

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    i really don't think so they would spend such human power

    but recently i saw many topic at webmaster section of google help forums that they are got penalized after hired seo company

    so it might be true that you can deindex your competitor

    also they are telling all is automated via bots
     
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  8. dannyduberstein

    dannyduberstein Junior Member

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    every time i hear about someone trying to sandbox their competitors it seems like they end up helping their competitor in the long run. i'd suggest simply working on ones own linking rather than trying to knock off your competitor, because it might come back and bit you in the ass.

    :p
     
  9. Getwhatchuwant

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    I understand your point but after reading many threads here there are some common theories/findings...

    1) Site age/Pr/ linking profile is a factor. So a 6 year old site with 50,000 links already may not trigger a manual review..why? after 6 years and an abundance of links already Google can take it's time to determine the value of the links and the pages they come from. Worst case scenario for the site, the links get dropped or deleted...best case, some stick and actually improve ranking.

    2) Some newer sites dance around, drop way to the bottom and come back stronger. This is where some of the interesting studies come in. Why do SOME come back stronger? Perhaps it is the quality of the site and content. If the algorithm can detect it then it's moot but if it cannot then a human review is the answer.

    3) Some newer site dance around, drop way to the bottom and do not recover. Much like #2 how is the determination made? I am assuming that someone that knows a bit of SEO will at least have many of the on page basics covered but may have spun content that is hardly readable by a human but good for SEO for a machine.

    4) Some lose rank for days, some weeks some months and in some cases I read threads where sites come back after close to a year. Obviously with the large number of sites there are to evaluate this might explain the differences in which sites are brought back. Shouldn't an algorithm be able to make a determination rather quickly? Perhaps the variation in time has to do with the amount of time it takes to be evaluated by a person.

    By no means is this definitive but I am thinking out loud here to see if the possibility exists which may explain the major differences in results after essentially using the same/similar technique.
     
  10. Dan Da Man

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    Just do not blast for the first few months or weeks. Yes it could hurt especially if you stop blasting it. I blast directly and saw a lot of good results. But the minute I stopped blasting it, you will see drastic drops in the serps. Think in googles eyes. Its very hard to hurt a competitor unless you catch them in the first few days of their site which may mess up their shit for awhile. Never seen a deindex for offpage shiz
     
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    1. Use Scrapebox to find sites with "Malicious code"

    2. Blast competitors on those sites.

    4. ????

    5. Profit.
     
  12. Shadeofblack

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    I save the excessive blasts for myself.

    I dont worry about the competition. I pick my battles (keyword research) wisely in the beginning so I dont have to worry about what everyone else is doing.

    I have never had any of my sites de-indexed or penalized (that I know of) for mass blasts.

    Maybe Im not doing it right.
     
  13. boom1

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    what is number 3?
     
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    lol at people thinking google can detect the IP of the user that created a link, as for hurting competitors yeah go ahead, it works :D
     
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    I'm not sure but I think google ignores blast on newer sites, because of this and other reasons, this would start a geek war, everyone would be blasting everyones sites, that wouldn't hurt older domains, also if your competitor sees thos links he could just 301.

    some HTACESS coding can ignore these links.

    a savvy competitor would notice an influx of links and could probably spot a blast, so hed just do what I said above.
     
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    This! my new site has been spammed by competitor. i know it sucks. Guess what? Main keyword #1 to #400.

    mind sharing this? i got many links from 1 crap wen.ru site.
     
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    Honestly, I don't know anymore. People say that you shouldn't blast your site with Scrapebox. But then they say that blasting your competitor won't do anything but benefit them. So it's kind of contradictory if you ask me.
     
  18. Seoservices004

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    Yes the Best Answer is "Just a thought and definately not proven but if a site suddenly gets a large volume of links why wouldn't that trigger a "manual review"?

    its 100 % true..We do Blast With Scrapbox or Xrumer for More Links In one Short..Thats Not Good for Direct main Site....if We go for Article Submission Links or Webs.0 Links..Then its Good.

    thanks.,
     
  19. mark27

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    I started a similar thread a few days ago and the conclusions reached were almost exactly the same.Nobody was sure whether or not it would hurt a new site that much and they all decided it would probably help an older site.

    I pretty much made up my mind that if it nobody's sure whether it even works I'll stick to the bread and butter of perfect on-page SEO, quality unique content, and a reasonable amount of backlinking.

    edit: I swapped a couple words up there.
     
  20. HarrisonHill

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    Do you actually know how many services Google owns and how many services of Google each webmaster uses on their sites? Using only analytics will give them all info about you, your OS, browser, plugins, plugin versions, URL's. Using chrome will give them almost everything lol.