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Blackhat SEO :reverse result

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by au2mopi, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. au2mopi

    au2mopi Junior Member

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    Hello
    i've just thought of something and i wanted to ask experts about it , it is highly possible that other thought of it before me , but i'll ask you anyway


    Is there any way to make backlinks work in reverse ? instead of ranking up , can i use backlinks to rank down in google ? (maybe spam or something like that)

    the reason why i am asking , is if i was in 2nd page maybe in google and i couldn't get to the 1st page , can i so high quality backlinks for me + outrank my competitors using this method (spamming in thier name so they get the penalite from google)

    sorry for my bad english
     
  2. iglow

    iglow Elite Member

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    yes you can.
     
  3. au2mopi

    au2mopi Junior Member

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    awesome ! how come no one talk about it here ?
    how can i harm a website rank with backlinks ?
     
  4. oblivion19

    oblivion19 Senior Member

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    This is not a new concept. It's called negative SEO. If the sites ranking are new, this may work. But, if they are authority sites, spamming them with bad links will only make them stronger. Also, with google disavow these days, any websmaster can disavow the spammy links you build.

    So, a better strategy would be to concentrate on ranking your website instead of deranking multiple competitors of yours.
     
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  5. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    because negative seo is a no-no!

    you're just like the bully from the school yard picking on the smart kids... just because you're not good / creative enough to outsmart them it means you need to take their lunch money.... what your mommy didn't love you enough ?
     
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  6. Asif WILSON Khan

    Asif WILSON Khan Executive VIP Premium Member

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    It is called "negative SEO" and is a little unethical, beat your competitors by being better than them.
     
  7. au2mopi

    au2mopi Junior Member

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    lmxftw
    so if i thought of negative seo i am not smart
    how about every one here
    did you ever heard someone here saying that he created unique high quality content and that would be enough ! and he won't do no backlinks or seo
     
  8. au2mopi

    au2mopi Junior Member

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    w130sn
    i know it is unethical , but this what bh all about
     
  9. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    ranking your own shit is one thing... messing with other peoples shit because you can't rank your own shit... that's just poor sportsmanship
     
  10. dinkish

    dinkish Power Member

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    If you're questioning our judgement, perform Negative SEO, and see what happens. You'll make the sites of authority stay intact, and you may bump down a few low authority competitors. Quite frankly I'd be surprised if you went up, it could very well be that a site that ranked lower than you spent more time focusing on making their site better in the meanwhile, and then outranks you anyways.

    Not performing on site optimization and backlinks (Standard SEO) has NOTHING to do with what you are misunderstanding mate.
     
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  11. netmoney1

    netmoney1 Executive VIP

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    Actually, you are VERY wrong. BlackHat doesn't mean be a douchebag. Work on improving the quality of your site rather then try to take out your competition like that.
     
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  12. au2mopi

    au2mopi Junior Member

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    ok , maybe you are right lmxtfw
    right now i don't need this method , but one day if i found myself in situation like this i won't hesitate
     
  13. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    the thing is negative seo requires stupidity from the competitors as well... and seeing how they outrank him... well you get my point

    if you get creative enough you can find some niche related keywords for which your competitors aren't ranking so well and get on top of that first... after that the new found traffic fountain will open up new keywords for grabs... assuming you have good content

     
  14. dinkish

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    Not to mention how funny it'll be when your site gets blasted and penalized in retaliation. I'd love to see you make a case study of your judgement and then provide accurate results.
     
  15. Nigel Farage

    Nigel Farage BANNED BANNED

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    At one time it was against the rules to talk about negative SEO. Not sure if that is still the case. Also there is disagreement about whether or not it's even possible. And, amongst those that believe that it is possible, there is disagreement on it's long-term effect. A ScrapeBox blast might get a site demoted for a while, but some believe that it can come back stronger than ever. Somehow those spammy backlinks ultimately can be good for a site.

    And then there is the strategic disagreement. While some say there is positive benefit to be gained by running a negative SEO campaign, other say that the time & energy spent doing that would be better spent doing positive SEO for your own site. I call this one the "World Full of Competitors" argument, and their reasoning is that for every competitor that you knock down, there are hundreds more that can take their place. Those that disagree with that believe that it's possible to knock-off a higher-ranked competitor and simply move up one spot, as if the competition for the ranking is static.

    And then, finally, you get into the ethics of the matter. Some believe in a more blackhat, "all is fair in love and war" belief, and also "don't bring a knife to a gunfight", while others think that anyone that would run a negative SEO campaign is a low-life motherfucker. So you might want to be careful coming out in favor of it, because you might earn the disdain of those that think this way.

    And as for myself, in a local context, well I am quite proud of the fact that I discovered a competitor for one of my clients doing blackhat techniques to beat my client in the Local Search Results, and I reported this to Google and 4 days later they were knocked WAY back to page 4 or so.

    HAH. Gives me a stiffie just thinking about it. Aaand I don't give a shit what other people think about it, either. Local is a completely different universe from global. In global competition, your competitors are all manner of godless heathens from misbegotten hell-holes all over the world; places like Antarctica, the Gobi desert, and Canada, and those people deserve whatever they get. However, local competition is with your Neighbors, the people right down the street, that know you, know your name, your kids names, where you live and they can burn down your house in the middle of the night. So you better not fuck with them. Most particularly, me.
     
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  16. au2mopi

    au2mopi Junior Member

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    Nigel farage
    thank you for the reply
    but i am still confused , some people say don't do mass backlinks , do only high pr becaue it will effect your website , and when i thought of using it for me it suddenly became good
    anyway , you are a good writer did you know that you should write an article about this topic or something like that you have the skills
    :)
     
  17. termseo

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    beat your competitors by being better than them.
     
  18. assphuck

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    There are many views on the topic of negative SEO, and many of them are valid. But if we are to discuss ethics, who here really believes Google is an ethical search engine? I sure as hell don't, and it's no coincidence that many of the top ranking sites are part of Google's lobbying group called the Internet Association. Although that lobbying group claims to be the voice of the internet economy, they are instead the toll takers of the internet - trying to interject themselves into every transaction and click a user makes. This group meets behind closed doors and decides how they can persuade legislators to change laws that benefit them and to stop government agencies that may be investigating them (ie. FTC). Do you think this group has your best interests in mind? If that was not enough, Google has a *special* relationship with the government to hand over personal data. I suspect this special relationship gives them preferential treatment, especially when it comes to anti-trust investigations.

    Ethics is about playing fair, and fair is a category Google does not fall into. While I don't do negative SEO, I don't blame those that do. Google created this shit, and it would not upset me in the slightest if 100, 1,000 or 1,000,000 webmasters started bitching about being negative SEOed. Let Google get the press they deserve on this. It sure as fuck beats having millions of webmasters building Google's spam database for free by using the disavow tool. How are these webmasters, many of which own/operate real businesses with a physical location and employees, supposed to recover their lost time? They won't and their efforts to disavow their links to rank higher is a futile effort designed by Google to turn ordinary people into an army of reviewers that Google does not have to pay. In other words, it's a fuck job.

    To play fair, the other party must be playing fair too. Google does not. Those websites that may get hit from negative SEO are simply collateral damage in a broader war to reduce Google's influence over the entire digital economy.
     
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  19. dinkish

    dinkish Power Member

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    Nigel and assphuck very adequately summed this up.

    I got a stiffy just reading it.
     
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