Blackhat legal questions..

Is bh illegal? If so, do many people who practice bh get tied up w/ legal issues? I basically want to know what the risks and chances are if there are any. At this point I just know you can make lots of money.*

risk ..... you can loose your adsense account
chances .... some make a lot of money

This has already been asked today.

It is not illegal on the whole, but of course there can be illegal BH methods.

pokerjk said:

This has already been asked today.

It is not illegal on the whole, but of course there can be illegal BH methods.

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However what is illegal is posting the same question that was asked earlier in the day. . . and probably about 3 times a week. . .

It's illegal.
Police have been doing surveilance on me for spinning articles.

Being against Googles "tac's" is not criminal. They may (if you incur cost to them) wish to take civil action one day - but I doubt it.

Also - criminal in USA is not criminal in many other areas. We have no anti spam laws in the UK, likewise we can put as many testimonials as we like up without worry.

USA is tighter than a ducks backside with IMers these days, that's why I closed most of my hosting accounts based there. To many rules and regs. Hell - I can't even promote Poker in the US easily any more.

I feel sorry for US based IMers, they've got it tough. I'd go to Guyana or Russia to get the easiest ride these days.

Scritty

jon_xx_x said:

It's illegal.
Police have been doing surveilance on me for spinning articles.

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There has been a dry cleaning truck parked outside of my house for 4 days and no one has left or gone in. I wonder if that's what it is about!

Sorry for touching on something already covered. Today is my first day as a member on this forum.. But isn't bh illegal in the case that you are basically scamming the adnetworks out of money by directing traffic to them in manners that are against their terms, terms you have agreed to? Have you ever heard of adnetworks taking publishers to court in order to get their money back and some?

jon_xx_x said:

It's illegal.
Police have been doing surveilance on me for spinning articles.

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Wow! Are you US based?

Scritty said:

Being against Googles "tac's" is not criminal. They may (if you incur cost to them) wish to take civil action one day - but I doubt it.

Also - criminal in USA is not criminal in many other areas. We have no anti spam laws in the UK, likewise we can put as many testimonials as we like up without worry.

USA is tighter than a ducks backside with IMers these days, that's why I closed most of my hosting accounts based there. To many rules and regs. Hell - I can't even promote Poker in the US easily any more.

I feel sorry for US based IMers, they've got it tough. I'd go to Guyana or Russia to get the easiest ride these days.

Scritty

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Would you consider bh in the US if that's where you lived? Or is it not even worth it?

Yeah I'm in the US. I'm smart though, I spin articles at my friends house, not mine, so nothing to worry about.

Yes it is, please transfer all licenses of all your BH software to me, I can burn them.

I remember my first spinning... Police was knocking on the door within 3 minutes after I pressed "spin again". Thanks god Thebestspinner's session was already expired when police checked PC

You could cut the sarcasm....lol

Depends. Black hat hacking and real black hat seo is illegal.
Though I cant remember if I have ever seen anything blackhat on this forum. Most of the stuff is just greyhat/whitehat with automation.

All in all this site is whitehat as hell =D belive me

Black hat stuff is for example creating a botnet and then using it to click on your own adsense ads, doing surveys or hacking websites to drop your links etc. Thats black hat internet marketing.
You can't find any info about this stuff here though.

People when did spinning articles or spamming web2o became blackhat? lol

Alright. .. stop with the leg pulling. . . here is the problem with your question. You can't answer it. You can't ask is Black Hat illegal, because it comprises many things some legal, some illegal. Some legal now. . some not legal in 2 years. Here is the main thing. . most of what you read is LEGAL, because if you've been around long enough . .you would remember some old sections of the forum that have been removed for being a bit touchy on legality. This site is in the top 500 sites online, most of what is stated and done is legal although not always smiled upon.

If you want to know if something is legal or illegal in particular look it up. Most of the time you are doing what is called a TOS violation (and you'll get your account banned, or punished by google, or whatever), but there is no van outside your house or fbi waiting to get you. An online crime that doesn't constitute at least 300k in damages probably isn't going to even get looked at unless a person takes a lawsuit to you. Next time use the search button on google and look up what your doing. If you don't know . . its probably legal or mildly a nuisance.

well first you have to define blackhat
is running scrapebox illegal? probably not.
is having a domain name containing a trademarked phrase illegal? probably yes.

There seems to be a great diversity of answers on whether or not bh is illegal or legal here. Also on the definition of bh.

medizac said:

There seems to be a great diversity of answers on whether or not bh is illegal or legal here. Also on the definition of bh.

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Ask yourself this question. . is a gun illegal ? Is shooting someone illegal?

Well did you buy the gun on a black market? What kind of gun is it a rifle, or an ak-47? Do you have a permit? Did you shoot in self defense? etc. its endless.

all question about law and blackhat are the same, this is why its a pointless question. You need to look at exactly what your doing, and see if that is legal or illegal.

jon_xx_x said:

Yeah I'm in the US. I'm smart though, I spin articles at my friends house, not mine, so nothing to worry about.

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I'm coughing on my soda now.

Email spamming, if considered blackhat, is illegal, at least in some countries.

eibmoz said:

Email spamming, if considered blackhat, is illegal, at least in some countries.

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Very little is illegal on the internet in the UK
A fair bit more in the US.

But the term that needs defining here is "Black Hat"
And people need to understand that breaking the terms and conditions of most sites is not "illegal" it is, at worst - "actionable through civil law" if the site owner can prove it has incurred cost to them,

If you are scamming adsense with false clicks - that's theft.
If you are sppfing CPA actions for cash through affiliate deals - that's theft

Criminal - simple as that. Internet or real world. It's most likely a "time inside" crime. Your safety at the moment is in "anonyminty in the numbers" you are one of tens of thousands doing it - you are likely small compared to those that are doing it on an industrial scale.

However, as the numbers dwindle, you will stand out more and more.

ON THE OTHER SIDE

Making 300 accounts in Yahoo mail, or setting up 150 Wordpress.com blogs or Youtube accounts is against their TaC. They can ban you, they could take civil action if they wanted, but it is not (in most of the world) illegal. Your just being a pain in the ass to them.

If you then use those Youtube accounts to scam them out of "cash for views" - then you've crossed the line. If you use your email accounts to try and get pensioners to hand over their insurance details to you - you've crossed the line. If you promote racial or illegal activities on your wordpress.com accounts...again you've crossed the line.

The law on theft, race hate, forgery...well that's the same whether it's on the internet or not. They catch you - and your found guilty - you spend some time in the hot house. The fact you did it on the internet is irrelavent these days.

Annoying Wordpress or making the Yahoo servers work a little harder for some other purpose (perhaps just putting a ton of content all over the web to promote your site) is, in most countries NOT illegal.
However, in the US...it is - at least technically.

The chances of anyone looking to extradite you for posting 1000 articles on WEB2 sites, or submitting your RSS feed to more aggregators than would seem appropriate for the conent...well, let's face it, that's not going to happen any time soon..US based or not.